Coach's leash

[OKREF]

A1 drives to basket, Trail calls push on B1, after whistle A1 takes another dribble and shoots. Trail call foul on the floor. Coach for A, on the other end of floor jumps up and screams, he is shooting, shooting foul, at thetop of his lungs, across half court. Trail says no, on the floor. 1st quarter 1:00 left. We go to the other end of the floor, and the coach is riding the same ref at baseline. Coach gets stuck, says "You have been waiting all night to do that". On the way to the table ref say's, coach you need to sit down and be quiet. Coach says "That's bullsh*t". Coach gets his second.

Now. My question is was that to fast for the second one? I don't believe so in this circumstance. He most certainly could have gotten one the first time he jumped up.

FYI: to finish the story. Coach goes nuts storms the court going after official, and makes contact.

[ballgame99]

Heck no, he had to go. Sounds like someone needs to switch to decaf, but he may not be coaching much longer if he's attacking officials.

[VaTerp]

Not too fast at all.

My only questions are which official told him to sit and who issued the 2nd T.

I hope it was a team effort.

[OKREF]

Same official got both. First one was at the baseline, and the second was about the 28 ft mark.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Same official got both. First one was at the baseline, and the second was about the 28 ft mark.

2 or 3 man?

Regardless, once you stick a coach I like for someone else to go seatbelt him. That can sometimes help the situation be less volatile.

And I also like for someone else to toss him after one official has issued the first T. That way you reduce the appearance of it being personal.

But you do what you have to do and this coach was not trying to see the rest of the game apparently.

[OKREF]

2 man. We as well would not prefer to have the same official give both T's in any situation. I think though, the way this happened it just couldn't be helped.

The coach has to know that after the first one, he just has to leave it be. The second official was coming in and was about the free throw line. It just happened so fast. I think the way the coach initially reacted to the non shooting foul certainly played a part in the first T.

[rockyroad]

Pretty obvious the guy was going to get the second one and get tossed, but why in the world would the official who is reporting the T tell the Coach to "sit down and be quiet"???

Talk about throwing gas on a fire...if the Coach deserves the second one, give it and toss the clown. But we certainly don't need to be saying things like that to a Coach in a heated situation. Get away from the Coach...let partner inform him of the seatbelt...if he still wants to say something he will have to say it to me from across the court.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Pretty obvious the guy was going to get the second one and get tossed, but why in the world would the official who is reporting the T tell the Coach to "sit down and be quiet"???

Talk about throwing gas on a fire...if the Coach deserves the second one, give it and toss the clown. But we certainly don't need to be saying things like that to a Coach in a heated situation. Get away from the Coach...let partner inform him of the seatbelt...if he still wants to say something he will have to say it to me from across the court.

Exactly.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by OKREF

A1 drives to basket, Trail calls push on B1, after whistle A1 takes another dribble and shoots. Trail call foul on the floor. Coach for A, on the other end of floor jumps up and screams, he is shooting, shooting foul, at thetop of his lungs, across half court. Trail says no, on the floor. 1st quarter 1:00 left. We go to the other end of the floor, and the coach is riding the same ref at baseline. Coach gets stuck, says "You have been waiting all night to do that". On the way to the table ref say's, coach you need to sit down and be quiet. Coach says "That's bullsh*t". Coach gets his second.

Now. My question is was that to fast for the second one? I don't believe so in this circumstance. He most certainly could have gotten one the first time he jumped up.

FYI: to finish the story. Coach goes nuts storms the court going after official, and makes contact.

Not too quick for the second. I have no problem calling both myself, too. Take care of business.

Exactly what language was used here?

As for the subsequent physical contact... there's a whole other box of worms. In FIBA, the new HC is stuck with a T as well - and 6 shots coming.

[JRutledge]

No. And if he did tell him to "sit down and shut up" on some level, it is still up to the coach to act professionally and not use inappropriate language. And saying "That's bull$!t" is usually going to get you stuck by many officials. Just because the official did not use the proper procedure does not excuse bad or unsporting behavior. I would talk to the official if I was an evaluator about that interaction, but when coaches roll the dice, they might just crap out with the wrong official.

Peace

[just another ref]

I actually had a very similar situation last year. GV coach, standing on the X screaming about a foul call. I calmly made the T signal as I arrived to report the foul. After lingering for a few seconds continuing to protest, as she turned back to the bench, the coach said "Bullsh....." The end of the word kinda trailed off. It didn't seem that loud to me, but I learned later that people across the gym heard it. I think it was more shock than anything else (I can't believe she actually said that) but I didn't call anything else. I tried, unsuccessfully, to justify it to myself by saying it was all part of the same incident, but my final opinion, then and now, is that failure to toss this coach at that point was the worst mistake I made all year.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No. And if he did tell him to "sit down and shut up" on some level, it is still up to the coach to act professionally and not use inappropriate language. And saying "That's bull$!t" is usually going to get you stuck by many officials. Just because the official did not use the proper procedure does not excuse bad or unsporting behavior. I would talk to the official if I was an evaluator about that interaction, but when coaches roll the dice, they might just crap out with the wrong official.

Peace

Since this is an official's forum, we talk about things that officials do and try to devise ways to do them better or handle situations more effectively. Of course coaches should act professionally...no said they shouldn't. But the calling official did not need to make the comment that was made and all it did was to make the situation worse...would the coach have still been tossed without that comment being made? Probably...but that isn't the point.

[ballgame99]

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

Official who issued the first T should have gotten out of there and his partner should have told the coach any version of, "Coach you've lost the box for the rest of the game and need to have a seat."

Sounds like this Coach would have been tossed regardless but I think we should always be looking at potential learning moments and the best ways to handle situations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

Too late for "that's enough" as he already has been T'd up. Saying nothing is probably the best thing to do and if the coach continues with his diatribe then a 2nd 'T' would be my next action.