new coach is a downgrade

[26 Year Gap]

Last night, had a kid take the ball out after a made basket. A team mate wanted to throw it in. First player tosses it to him, then his teammate, who is still IB, steps OOB. Tweet. HC starts to make a fuss about it, I told him his first player was OOB.

HT I let him know exactly what happened on the play as it was near the end of the half, and did not have opportunity earlier. He started arguing and saying that he had game film. Game over for him as he is now in the short leash category. His predecessor had a different demeanor. As an aside the JVC/AC mentioned to one of my partners that that happened with that kid a lot.

[deecee]

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Why?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Nope, try again.

[26 Year Gap]

darn you quoters....

[bainsey]

"It's not soccer, Coach."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Another gem from our future D1 official. Did you learn this at camp too?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

I think that's what I said. If I haven't started my count, then the ball isn't at the disposal. So, the toss is of no consequence and I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation) to determione that the ball is at the disposal.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

Then I think you must have misunderstood him.

[Nevadaref]

Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

What would make such a thing obvious? If the first guy is out of bounds, and tosses it to the second guy inbounds, who subsequently steps out, I think I would have the violation whistled before I had time to speculate about anything else.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What would make such a thing obvious? If the first guy is out of bounds, and tosses it to the second guy inbounds, who subsequently steps out, I think I would have the violation whistled before I had time to speculate about anything else.

It depends a little (or maybe a lot) on how the first guy got out of bounds with the ball.

It only happens maybe once every couple of games, but it's clear that the person OOB does not really have the ball at his/her disposal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Last night, had a kid take the ball out after a made basket. A team mate wanted to throw it in. First player tosses it to him, then his teammate, who is still IB, steps OOB. Tweet. HC starts to make a fuss about it, I told him his first player was OOB.

I had a 3 count on a thrower last week when she turned and threw the ball toward me. Tweet. OOB the other way.