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Old Sat Dec 08, 2012, 01:57pm
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.
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Old Sat Dec 08, 2012, 08:52pm
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.
Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).
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Old Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:35am
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.
Another gem from our future D1 official. Did you learn this at camp too?
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Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).
Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.
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Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.
I think that's what I said. If I haven't started my count, then the ball isn't at the disposal. So, the toss is of no consequence and I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation) to determione that the ball is at the disposal.
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Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.
Then I think you must have misunderstood him.
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Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?
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Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?
If there's no appreciable delay, I see no issue with handling it the way bob suggested.
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If there's no appreciable delay, I see no issue with handling it the way bob suggested.
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If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

What would make such a thing obvious? If the first guy is out of bounds, and tosses it to the second guy inbounds, who subsequently steps out, I think I would have the violation whistled before I had time to speculate about anything else.
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Old Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:12am
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What would make such a thing obvious? If the first guy is out of bounds, and tosses it to the second guy inbounds, who subsequently steps out, I think I would have the violation whistled before I had time to speculate about anything else.
It depends a little (or maybe a lot) on how the first guy got out of bounds with the ball.

It only happens maybe once every couple of games, but it's clear that the person OOB does not really have the ball at his/her disposal.
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