new coach is a downgrade

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Another gem from our future D1 official. Did you learn this at camp too?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

I think that's what I said. If I haven't started my count, then the ball isn't at the disposal. So, the toss is of no consequence and I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation) to determione that the ball is at the disposal.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

Then I think you must have misunderstood him.

[Nevadaref]

Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?

If there's no appreciable delay, I see no issue with handling it the way bob suggested.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

If there's no appreciable delay, I see no issue with handling it the way bob suggested.

It is called common sense. Not everyone has that thing in their capacity.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is called common sense. Not everyone has that thing in their capacity.

Common sense would be to just apply the rule. Keep it simple and do it by the book.
What is wrong with that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Common sense would be to just apply the rule. Keep it simple and do it by the book.
What is wrong with that?

The problem with that logic is that you assume that the rules always are clear and concise. They are not always that way and there are real things that happen in games that are not clearly covered. Just look at your stance on many rules alone. Not everyone agrees with them and not everyone is mandated to follow them the way you suggest. And if all rules were so clear as you suggest, then we would not have debates over things like what can or cannot happen with many rules and current changes. We had a rule we could not even agree on here if Team Control was still a factor after a throw-in had completed and you are actually saying that "Follow the rule...?" OK, go with that one.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Common sense would be to just apply the rule. Keep it simple and do it by the book.
What is wrong with that?

I don't see anyone setting aside a rule. The covering official is allowed discretion in determining when the ball is at the disposal of a team.