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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:08am
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Jump ball to start the game occurs. Jumper A1 taps the ball to A2 who is in the front court. A2 does not catch the ball, but directs the ball and taps it to A3 in the backcourt. The official calls a back court violation and tells the table to set the arrow to Team B’s basket. Is the official correct?

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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:12am
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Where was team control established?
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:12am
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Depends on if you consider the tap controlled.

I've always used the test if at the time of the tap if A2 requested time-out would you grant it? In my opinion, the answer is no, you couldn't.

If they considered it controlled then yes they got it correct.

If not, then no they didn't.
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:52am
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Depends on if you consider the tap controlled.

I've always used the test if at the time of the tap if A2 requested time-out would you grant it? In my opinion, the answer is no, you couldn't.

If they considered it controlled then yes they got it correct.

If not, then no they didn't.
Player control cannot be established by a controlled tap. He must either be holding it or dribbling it, tapping it is neither regardless of how well the tapper controls the ball's direction.
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:07am
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Player control cannot be established by a controlled tap. He must either be holding it or dribbling it, tapping it is neither regardless of how well the tapper controls the ball's direction.
What if the player "pushes" the ball?
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Player control cannot be established by a controlled tap. He must either be holding it or dribbling it, tapping it is neither regardless of how well the tapper controls the ball's direction.

Where can I find the rule in the book ?
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:21am
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player control cannot be established by a controlled tap. He must either be holding it or dribbling it, tapping it is neither regardless of how well the tapper controls the ball's direction.

Where can i find the rule in the book ?
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Player control cannot be established by a controlled tap. He must either be holding it or dribbling it, tapping it is neither regardless of how well the tapper controls the ball's direction.

Where can I find the rule in the book ?
See casebook 4.12 comment.
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:47pm
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What if the player "pushes" the ball?
Unless he holds it in the process, nothing.
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Jump ball to start the game occurs. Jumper A1 taps the ball to A2 who is in the front court. A2 does not catch the ball, but directs the ball and taps it to A3 in the backcourt. The official calls a back court violation and tells the table to set the arrow to Team B’s basket. Is the official correct?

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Regardless of whether the backcourt call was correct or not, the part in red above is incorrect. Once the violation is called against Team A, the ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in and at that point, the arrow is set to Team A's basket.
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Regardless of whether the backcourt call was correct or not, the part in red above is incorrect. Once the violation is called against Team A, the ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in and at that point, the arrow is set to Team A's basket.
Disagree. If the bc call is correct, then A had established control of the tip, thus B gets the arrow.
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Old Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:03pm
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Disagree. If the bc call is correct, then A had established control of the tip, thus B gets the arrow.
Shoot, you're right, of course. I was thinking about catching the tap, for some reason. I'm gonna go delete my post.
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