Major Rule Differences between NFHS and NCAA (Men's)

[JMUplayer]

Out of Bounds ? ---

In NFHS you can save the ball back in bounds while falling out of bounds and be the first to touch it if you re establish yourself as being inbounds.

In NCAA rules that's different?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Out of Bounds ? ---

In NFHS you can save the ball back in bounds while falling out of bounds and be the first to touch it if you re establish yourself as being inbounds.

In NCAA rules that's different?

What makes you think the rule is different?

Peace

[JMUplayer]

In link above:

Player Out of Bounds
Violation called as soon as player leaves the court for an unauthorized reason (NFHS)

Violation called when player returns and is first to touch ball inbounds(NCAA)

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

In link above:

Player Out of Bounds
Violation called as soon as player leaves the court for an unauthorized reason (NFHS)

Violation called when player returns and is first to touch ball inbounds(NCAA)

NFHS, are you calling a violation if the player saves the ball and goes out of bounds while doing this?

[JRutledge]

The key is under your own volition, not just going out of bounds. If you go out under your own volition in the NF game, you have committed a violation and do not need to touch the ball to have this called.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The key is under your own volition, not just going out of bounds. If you go out under your own volition in the NF game, you have committed a violation and do not need to touch the ball to have this called.

Peace

Correct. If player jumps to save the ball and momentum makes them land out of bounds, and they are the first to touch after establishing on the court. Violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Correct. If player jumps to save the ball and momentum makes them land out of bounds, and they are the first to touch after establishing on the court. Violation?

Legal play under FED and NCAA rules.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Correct. If player jumps to save the ball and momentum makes them land out of bounds, and they are the first to touch after establishing on the court. Violation?

Just touching the ball...no.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

In link above:

Player Out of Bounds
Violation called as soon as player leaves the court for an unauthorized reason (NFHS)

Violation called when player returns and is first to touch ball inbounds(NCAA)

Doesn't apply to the play you describe ("saving the ball while falling OOB") -- that's not "leaving of your own volition".

The rule difference applies on a play where the baseline cutter runs out of bounds (perhaps to set up the screen) and then looks to receive a pass from the wing.

In HS, that's (supposed to be) an immediate violation (as soon as the player runs OOB). In NCAA, it's a violation only if the player is the first (next) to touch the ball after returning.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Out of Bounds ? ---

In NFHS you can save the ball back in bounds while falling out of bounds and be the first to touch it if you re establish yourself as being inbounds.

In NCAA rules that's different?

NCAA 9-4-1
A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

[JMUplayer]

Originally Posted by tjones1

NCAA 9-4-1
A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

so this only applies when a person is not "saving" a ball from going oob?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

so this only applies when a person is not "saving" a ball from going oob?

Applies to any player who intentionally goes out of bounds, returns, and is the first to touch the ball.

[JMUplayer]

So in summary ---

NFHS casebook 7.1.1 -- says legal you can be first to touch
&
NCAA 9-4-1 --says illegal you can't be first to touch?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

So in summary ---

NFHS casebook 7.1.1 -- says legal you can be first to touch
&
NCAA 9-4-1 --says illegal you can't be first to touch?

You do not understand the difference between going out of bounds because you momentum takes you out of bounds and running out of bounds to get some kind of advantage or on purpose?

Saving the ball is not going out on your own volition or to get a clear advantage. Running around a screen is or running around someone to beat someone to the ball is also apart of that rule.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

So in summary ---

NFHS casebook 7.1.1 -- says legal you can be first to touch
&
NCAA 9-4-1 --says illegal you can't be first to touch?

No.

well, it's correct that those plays / rules say what you indicate. But, they are referring to two different plays, so you can't make a comparison.

A better comparison would be FED 9.3.3B and NCAA AR 219