inbounding mechanics

[jTheUmp]

Interesting... I was taught it differently:

Stand next to inbounder, ball in the arm next to the inbounder, but held in such a way that the inbounder can't easily grab it from you.
Raise opposite arm.
Hand ball to inbounder.
Take a step backward and/or away from inbounder to clear some space and get a better angle.
Begin count with arm nearest inbounder.
Chop when legally touched inbounds.
Begin a new count, if necessary, with chopping arm.


Personally, I almost never use a bounce. Maybe 1 or two times a game. I probably should use it more often.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Interesting... I was taught it differently:

Stand next to inbounder, ball in the arm next to the inbounder, but held in such a way that the inbounder can't easily grab it from you.
Raise opposite arm.
Hand ball to inbounder.
Take a step backward and/or away from inbounder to clear some space and get a better angle.
Begin count with arm nearest inbounder.
Chop when legally touched inbounds.
Begin a new count, if necessary, with chopping arm.

For HS, the same as above.

Since you should step back to better see the play, and since you (usually) will be at an angle (+/- 45*) to the boundary line, the swinging arm will not interfere with the play.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For HS, the same as above.

Since you should step back to better see the play, and since you (usually) will be at an angle (+/- 45*) to the boundary line, the swinging arm will not interfere with the play.

+1

Looks cleaner in my opinion.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by DLH17

+1

Looks cleaner in my opinion.

I had an evaluator tell me that you should actually be on the court when administering a a throw in so you get a better angle and view of the play. i agree with most everyone else about being further away is better. I feel like being out on the court can interfere with the play and decrease the view the boundary plane. Anybody else do this or have an opinion?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I had an evaluator tell me that you should actually be on the court when administering a a throw in so you get a better angle and view of the play. i agree with most everyone else about being further away is better. I feel like being out on the court can interfere with the play and decrease the view the boundary plane. Anybody else do this or have an opinion?

Honestly, I'm not paying that close attention to the boundary plane...especially if there's sufficient space for the thrower. I'm more concerned about the action in the immediate area around the throw-in and while only keep the thrower and the person guarding the thrower in the corner of my vision.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by APG

Honestly, I'm not paying that close attention to the boundary plane...especially if there's sufficient space for the thrower. I'm more concerned about the action in the immediate area around the throw-in and while only keep the thrower and the person guarding the thrower in the corner of my vision.

I like your thinking on this but what do you think about being on the court as opposed to being out of bounds?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I had an evaluator tell me that you should actually be on the court when administering a a throw in so you get a better angle and view of the play. i agree with most everyone else about being further away is better. I feel like being out on the court can interfere with the play and decrease the view the boundary plane. Anybody else do this or have an opinion?

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I like your thinking on this but what do you think about being on the court as opposed to being out of bounds?

Personally, I think it is dumb.

I've heard it taught too and it makes absolutely no sense. For every step you take onto the court or even towards the court, the less of your field of vision is on the court. I have no need to have the out of bounds area behind the thrower in my field of vision. I'd rather have the court and players in that field as much as possible.

There is simply very little that the thrower can do that you really need to see so why put your self in a position to best see the thrower.

If such a position were really a good idea, why are we, as trail, not trying to get in front of the play and look back through? It is essentially the same. We don't, of course. We trail the play and look through it at an angle such that we can see what else is going on elsewhere on the court...with a view looking from behind the player with the ball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I like your thinking on this but what do you think about being on the court as opposed to being out of bounds?

Don't care either way...most of the time I'm OOB but I've also found occasion where being a step onto the court has been beneficial to me along the sideline.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

Honestly, I'm not paying that close attention to the boundary plane...especially if there's sufficient space for the thrower. I'm more concerned about the action in the immediate area around the throw-in and while only keep the thrower and the person guarding the thrower in the corner of my vision.

If you ever go to CIAA camp DO NOT do this. That supervisor is insistant that the administering official only concern himself with the thrower-in, the boundary line, and the immediate defender.

[Bad Zebra]

This whole topic is one of those areas that's not clearly defined in the Fed manual...thus you end up with clinicians and assigners insisting that their way is the best way to do it...further muddying the waters as to what is correct. Bottom line...I do whatever feels comfortable and gives me the best view of the floor. Closest arm up, hand across the body, step back, count with opposite hand. I've had exactly ONE partner question it in 12 years...and he has since disappeared from the ranks. Seems to me it's better to focus on getting a good view and understanding all that can go wrong on a throw in rather than how the ball gets made live.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That supervisor is insistent that the administering official only concern himself with the thrower-in, the boundary line, and the immediate defender.

No peeking at screens, and the possibility of illegal screens, in your primary coverage area? And no peeking at players in your primary coverage area pushing off to try to get open?

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you ever go to CIAA camp DO NOT do this. That supervisor is insistant that the administering official only concern himself with the thrower-in, the boundary line, and the immediate defender.

Interesting...I used to do this until a D-I official suggested otherwise.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I had an evaluator tell me that you should actually be on the court when administering a a throw in so you get a better angle and view of the play. i agree with most everyone else about being further away is better. I feel like being out on the court can interfere with the play and decrease the view the boundary plane. Anybody else do this or have an opinion?

I feel the same way as you. As such, I would never do this; I stay out of the way at all times. In every case.

And I just don't see how being on the court gives you a better look.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I had an evaluator tell me that you should actually be on the court when administering a a throw in so you get a better angle and view of the play. i agree with most everyone else about being further away is better. I feel like being out on the court can interfere with the play and decrease the view the boundary plane. Anybody else do this or have an opinion?

My reference to "looking clean" was for handing the ball to the inbounding player using the arm closest to him. If I'm standing to his left (he's between me and the lane/basket) I hand the ball with my right hand with left arm raised. Take a couple steps away from the player - staying out of bounds but not too far so I can see the vertical plane of the end line for violations - then put my whistle in mouth and start visible count with left hand after chopping the clock.

That all makes it sound like it's an eternity before my visible begins, but it's all fluid and works well, I think. Some evaluator is probably drooling over his chance to bite into me for that.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

My reference to "looking clean" was for handing the ball to the inbounding player using the arm closest to him. If I'm standing to his left (he's between me and the lane/basket) I hand the ball with my right hand with left arm raised. Take a couple steps away from the player - staying out of bounds but not too far so I can see the vertical plane of the end line for violations - then put my whistle in mouth and start visible count with left hand after chopping the clock.

That all makes it sound like it's an eternity before my visible begins, but it's all fluid and works well, I think. Some evaluator is probably drooling over his chance to bite into me for that.

Like I just said, I think everything through and I have a question for you. If we can agree, that raising your hand/arm cuts of part of your peripheral vision, and the player cuts off part of your vision beyond the player, which arm could we raise to cut off the least amount of vision? The arm closest to the player or furthest away from the player? This also assuming we agree that taking a step away/back after the player has the ball is a good practice.

This is opposite of the thought process I have for calling fouls or signalling three-point attempts, but since I'm not 6'8" the player will cut off my vision beyond the player anyway. Is that confusing?