Cannot Sub for Guy who Dunks in Pregame?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by OKREF

6-2-1. The game and each extra period begins when the ball becomes live as specified in 6-1-2 for a jump ball, throw-in or free throw. He would be able to sub after the first free throw.

What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 (read B44 for OP) to shoot both technical foul free throws?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

Legal. I'll give a citation later. I'm at work with no books.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Legal. I'll give a citation later. I'm at work with no books.

I know it's legal, Billy.

My point is you can sub before the first throw.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I know it's legal, Billy.

My point is you can sub before the first throw.

But this is only legal for shooting team correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

But this is only legal for shooting team correct?

Technically, yes. But if the coach wants the player out, why make a big deal of it. As soon as the first T is taken, he can take him out anyway and letting him do it before the first T isn't going to cause a problem and will take less time than telling him he has to wait and then doing it. No need to ruffle the feathers of the coach for such an insignificant issue.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Technically, yes. But if the coach wants the player out, why make a big deal of it. As soon as the first T is taken, he can take him out anyway and letting him do it before the first T isn't going to cause a problem and will take less time than telling him he has to wait and then doing it. No need to ruffle the feathers of the coach for such an insignificant issue.

Why is everyone assuming the coach will have a problem with waiting for the proper time to substitute? Is everyone out there dealing with nothing but d!ckhead coaches?

Who's to say subbing the kid too early won't ruffle the feathers of the opposing coach who will want to know why the starting line-up is being changed without penalty?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why is everyone assuming the coach will have a problem with waiting for the proper time to substitute? Is everyone out there dealing with nothing but d!ckhead coaches?

Who's to say subbing the kid too early won't ruffle the feathers of the opposing coach who will want to know why the starting line-up is being changed without penalty?

What harm is there? The proper time is still before any playing action, so there is zero advantage here. If the coach is going to pitch a fit over whether the sub happens before or after the first free throw, he's going to end up with a seat belt at some point.

I get that the rule says we should wait for the first free throw, but I can't see picking this nit.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why is everyone assuming the coach will have a problem with waiting for the proper time to substitute? Is everyone out there dealing with nothing but d!ckhead coaches?

Who's to say subbing the kid too early won't ruffle the feathers of the opposing coach who will want to know why the starting line-up is being changed without penalty?

Not that I should even need to say this, but the OP is in a freaking middle school game. I am not worried in this case what the opposing coach says. In a varsity game, I will likely get the opposing coach's ok before I let the angry coach change his starting lineup. Yes he is angry because his kid just did a very stupid thing and he has no coaching box the entire game. If you think he's not going to be angry (at his player and the situation) you're dreaming.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by tjones1

What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

I would say one of the marked starting 5 would have to shoot the first one, and anyone would be able to shoot the second one.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I would say one of the marked starting 5 would have to shoot the first one, and anyone would be able to shoot the second one.

I disagree.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I would say one of the marked starting 5 would have to shoot the first one, and anyone would be able to shoot the second one.

Read 3-2-2a "unless ... to attempt a technical-foul free throw"

edit: sorry, I see it was already covered.

[Raymond]

If Team B subs in a free throw shooter, bring in a sub from Team A at the same time.

If Team B doesn't sub then bring in Team A sub after 1st or 2nd free throw.

Does it need to be any more complicated than that?

And where is 3-3-2a, it's not in the online rules book?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

That was my first thought. Dunker would have to wait until the first free throw. If the opposing coach brings a guy in off the bench to shoot the free throws, I would probably let the dunker get subbed as well.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If Team B subs in a free throw shooter, bring in a sub from Team A at the same time.

If Team B doesn't sub then bring in Team A sub after 1st or 2nd free throw.

Does it need to be any more complicated than that?

That is what I was saying.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And where is 3-3-2a, it's not in the online rules book?

That's 3-2-2a

[legend]

Originally Posted by tjones1

What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

What other coach? Team b doesn't get to say who shoots them if they are the offending team. If team A is awarded the free throws their coach can have any player in the book shoot said free throws.