fight rule

[ronny mulkey]

Bob,

look at this true/false test question:

A1, A2 and B1 begin to fight during a dead ball.
A6, B6 and B7 enter the court without fighting
no f. throws are shot

Is this true or false?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Bob,

look at this true/false test question:

A1, A2 and B1 begin to fight during a dead ball.
A6, B6 and B7 enter the court without fighting
no f. throws are shot

Is this true or false?

For the players who fight: 2 T's enforced on A, 1 T enforced on B.

for the players who enter but don't fight: 1 T enforced on each (all are ejected, and 1 foul added to the team total for A, and 2 for B, but in terms of Ts for offsetting, it's one apiece).

So B shoots 2 FTs

[ronny mulkey]

Bob,

For the players on the court - shouldn't Team A be accessed one more technical than Team B for having 2 players fighting to team B's 1 player fighting?

For bench - because the numbers are not corresponding for entering and not fighting would team B not be accessed a maximum of one technical foul?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Bob,

For the players on the court - shouldn't Team A be accessed one more technical than Team B for having 2 players fighting to team B's 1 player fighting?

Yes -- I think that's what I said (except the word is "assessed" )

For bench - because the numbers are not corresponding for entering and not fighting would team B not be accessed a maximum of one technical foul?

Good catch. So the number of Ts is now even and no FTs are shot.

[Scratch85]

Is it correct that the head coach gets one indirect technical for each player leaving the bench and participating in the fight and a maximum of one indirect technical for players leaving the bench but not participating in the fight?

Example: Players A6, A7, A8 and A9 all leave the bench. Players A6 and A7 participate in the fight. Players A8 and A9 observe. Three indirect technicals to A's head coach and ejection.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Is it correct that the head coach gets one indirect technical for each player leaving the bench and participating in the fight and a maximum of one indirect technical for players leaving the bench but not participating in the fight?

Example: Players A6, A7, A8 and A9 all leave the bench. Players A6 and A7 participate in the fight. Players A8 and A9 observe. Three indirect technicals to A's head coach and ejection.

Correct.

[Nevadaref]

Unfortunately, the NFHS needs to clarify this section of the rules.

Some areas handle it as your state and Bob interprets, but others will not offset the FTs due to fighters and non-fighters. They are totally separate categories in the rules book and some folks take that as not able to cancel out.

It would be wonderful if the NFHS would issue a clear case play on this.

[tjchamp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes -- I think that's what I said (except the word is "assessed" )



Good catch. So the number of Ts is now even and no FTs are shot.

I am confused now. A1 & A2 fight, as does B1 = 2 FT's for team B. A6 vs B6 & B7 = 1 T for each team and no FT's as they offset. Isn't the end result then still the 2 FT's for team B?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tjchamp

I am confused now. A1 & A2 fight, as does B1 = 2 FT's for team B.

Correct

A6 vs B6 & B7 = 1 T for each team and no FT's as they offset. Isn't the end result then still the 2 FT's for team B?

Since the numbers of team members leaving are uneven, it's one "T to be administered" against the team with the most. So, here, A will get 2 FTs. These offset against the 2 FTs for B in the first part.

Examples (no fight on the floor, A6 leaves but does not participate in all examples, all the B below leave but do not participate):

B6 leaves: 1 indirect against coach A, 1 indirect against coach B, no FTs (the numbers are even)

B6 and B7 leave: 1 indirect against coach A, 1 indirect against coach B, A shoots 2 FTs (the numbers are uneven)

B6, B7, B8, B9, B10, Trainer B, student manager B all leave; 1 indirect against coach A, 1 indirect against coach B, A shoots 2 FTs (the numbers are uneven -- by how much they are uneven doesn't matter here)

A7, A8, A9 leave (in addition to A6), B6, B7, B8, B9 leave: 1 indirect to each coach, no FTs (the numbers are even)

[tjchamp]

Got it, I was confusing the T's on the players with the indirects on the coach.