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Situation..
Fight breaks out in the stands during first of two free throws. Two players from team 'A' come off the bench and run to the opposite side of the court to see the fight upclose. None of the ten players on the court or the two off the bench participate in the fight. I immediately ejected the 2 players out of the game for comming off the bench and place them in the change room. Didn't assess any technicals or team fouls. I think i am correct under NCAA rules because neither player paricipated in the fight. Comments??? keep smiling SH [Edited by hoopsrefBC on Dec 18th, 2000 at 12:09 AM] |
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Although I understand your intent, I don't believe you were correct with the ruling. Did you decide not to T them because they were looking rather than punching?
My understanding is that anytime you toss a player, or bench personnel, it is BECAUSE of a Tech and should be penalized as such. Without splitting hairs defining "participating in a fight", the players did leave the bench DURING and BECAUSE of a fight. Should be assessed, penalized (4 FTs and resume at point of interruption), and reported (they will miss next game). Sounds severe, but you can bet they won't do it again. |
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Pizanno,
You might be correct... I have read the NCAA rules over and am pretty sure i did get it correct. The NCAA have split hairs and have defined "participating in a fight" very good. A.R#16 and A.R.#17 on page BR-116 of the new rule book splits the hairs quite nicely. I would agree with your outcome of the situation if the players had actually participated in the fight, however since they didn't. The players and coach arn't penelized. I ejected the players from the game. I didn't assess any foul, either technical or personal. No foul, no penelty. Thanks Bob, i just want to make sure i got it correct. keep smiling SH |
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Let me see if I got this straight.
You ejected 2 bench players for coming off the bench during a fight in the stands between fans.(no players involved?)What happens if that fight breaks out behind the bench and they all leave to get away from the fight? |
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BC-
...what did your supervisor say? paulk - i think common sense should prevail and not penalize the players. The situation described by BC is different with 2 bench players not using their heads and SHOULD be deterred, which he rightly did. [Edited by pizanno on Dec 18th, 2000 at 06:59 PM] |
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If you have the NCAA rule book read A.R.#16 page 116. |
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Re: not so sure
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Under Fed, leaving the bench and not participating is a flagrant on the participants, but only 1 indirect on the coach (no matter how many leave the bench) and only 1 team foul (two throws). Under NCAA rules (which is what hoopsrefBC uses), it's just an ejection -- no team fouls, no shots, no indirect fouls. |
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Re: could be a stupid question, but...
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After a length discussion, we determined that i had indeed gotten the procedure correct. However, to be safe my local supervisor is going to discuss this situation with the provincial supervisor and report back. Thanks for the input everyone... keep smiling SH |
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