WNBA: Jacket Removal and Toss

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I don't think that warrants a second technical. Official absolutely blew the call in my opinion.

Blew what call? The one where the defender put her hand on top of the ball and caused a turnover?

[JRutledge]

I have no problem giving a second T on this at any level that I work. I guess I would have to hear what she said or how she said things after getting the first T. I would want my partner to give the second one, but hey act better if you do not want anyone to think of calling this.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I don't think that warrants a second technical. Official absolutely blew the call in my opinion.

First, I completely disagree with you about the call being missed.

Second, and most important (for me anyway)...are you saying that you would ignore unsporting behavior from a coach simply because you think your partner blew a call???

[letemplay]

Does the "hand is part of the ball" apply when defender is reaching across, and susequently makes contact with (39 sec frame), the offensive player's arm? I have to question that she was unable to get her shot off, as much due to the contact on her arm as the hand on the ball. Small chance for held ball call here after seeing it a few times. As for the 2nd T, I'll weigh in with yes for HS, but prob no for pros.

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

First, I completely disagree with you about the call being missed.

Second, and most important (for me anyway)...are you saying that you would ignore unsporting behavior from a coach simply because you think your partner blew a call???

I went back and looked at the play in stopped frames, and I'll have to agree with you. Contact was with the ball before any contact on the arm. Looked like a foul in full speed, and a whistle would have been incorrect.

Secondly, If I blow a call, I'll be patient before issuing a "T". I'll give the coach extra leeway in this situation. I've got my partners back if a "T" is warranted and my partner doesn't see the action that warrants the "T".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Does the "hand is part of the ball" apply when defender is reaching across, and susequently makes contact with (39 sec frame), the offensive player's arm? I have to question that she was unable to get her shot off, as much due to the contact on her arm as the hand on the ball. Small chance for held ball call here after seeing it a few times. As for the 2nd T, I'll weigh in with yes for HS, but prob no for pros.

It is not a foul because the player contacted the ball first and anything else would be incidental. It is that simple. No one is going to play defense on you and be expected to never contact you, ever.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I went back and looked at the play in stopped frames, and I'll have to agree with you. Contact was with the ball before any contact on the arm. Looked like a foul in full speed, and a whistle would have been incorrect.

Secondly, If I blow a call, I'll be patient before issuing a "T". I'll give the coach extra leeway in this situation. I've got my partners back if a "T" is warranted and my partner doesn't see the action that warrants the "T".

Whew!

I was hoping that was what you meant...And I agree. If I think I "missed" a call, I will let a little more venting than usual take place - but nothing approaching the level of this lady!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yes. And I think a coach would've gotten the gate in the NBA, too.

Originally Posted by APG

I don't think so...toss the jacket onto the court or in the stands sure. Toss is at your assistant coach? That's nothing.

I stand correct...NBA: Whack, get out

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not a foul because the player contacted the ball first and anything else would be incidental. It is that simple. No one is going to play defense on you and be expected to never contact you, ever.

Peace

Thanks. Any chance for a held ball call here?

[APG]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Thanks. Any chance for a held ball call here?

If you determined the player came back down with the ball, then a jump ball would be a proper call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

If you determined the player came back down with the ball, then a jump ball would be a proper call.

I would not even call that in high school where the rule is a little different. I think in real time this was just a good block.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not even call that in high school where the rule is a little different. I think in real time this was just a good block.

Peace

I agree, I have a play on

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Blew what call? The one where the defender put her hand on top of the ball and caused a turnover?

I'm looking at it full screen, frozen at about :40. The defender has a hand full of wrist and clearly restricts the arm. Absolutely a whistle is correct here. No justification for coach COMING ON THE COURT and protesting, but I think she deserves a little leeway on her response.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I'm looking at it full screen, frozen at about :40. The defender has a hand full of wrist and clearly restricts the arm. Absolutely a whistle is correct here. No justification for coach COMING ON THE COURT and protesting, but I think she deserves a little leeway on her response.

You're calling a foul based on a frozen moment? Before the contact B1 capped the ball. As A1 tried to continue her shot her left hand started coming off the ball and that's when contact you are referring to occurred.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You're calling a foul based on a frozen moment? Before the contact B1 capped the ball. As A1 tried to continue her shot her left hand started coming off the ball and that's when contact you are referring to occurred.

Nope. Im saying that a whistle looks justified with the benefit of slow mo and replay. Camera had a beautiful angle. The coach certainly had a case against the no-call so I'd cut her some slack on the response.