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Old Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:24am
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WNBA: Jacket Removal and Toss



Does that jacket removal and toss earn her a second T in your game?

WNBA Finals -- Lin Dunn, Indiana Fever coach, criticizes Minnesota Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve for actions in Game 2 - ESPN

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INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana coach Lin Dunn criticized the coach of the Minnesota Lynx on Thursday, accusing her of a "lack of respect" for an outburst that seemed to spur the Lynx to a win in the WNBA Finals.

Dunn said she wasn't amused by Minnesota coach Cheryl Reeve's meltdown on Wednesday night. Ignited by Reeve's technical foul and subsequent jacket toss, Minnesota turned up the intensity in the second half to pull away for an 83-71 win in Game 2 to even the series at one game apiece. Game 3 is in Indianapolis on Friday.

Dunn said she thought Reeve should have been ejected because the wildest part of the tantrum came after the technical.

"I guess the thing that concerns me is that after she got her first technical, then she proceeded to take her jacket off, throw her jacket," Dunn said. "In my opinion, that should have been reason for a second technical and removal, and they (the officials) did not do that, and of course, she was able to incite the crowd.

"There's no doubt in my mind that her behavior after the first technical warranted ejection, and I was very disappointed that the officials allowed her to in some ways, you know, just kind of a lack of respect for the game and lack of respect for them. I was disappointed in the whole affair."
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No doubt where I work a 2nd T would be expected.
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Heck yes. This was an embarrassment to her self, her team, and her sport.
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No doubt where I work a 2nd T would be expected.
Especially since, now that I watched the entire video, that was a great no-call by the official
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Nope. That is not egregious enough for me at the college level. It was not directed at the official, was not a prolonged action, and her staff got her under control pretty quickly.

If this is a HS game, then yes....

(Let the criticism begin).....
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Absolutely...and I would have no problem giving her the 2nd one myself had I called the first one.
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Yes. And I think a coach would've gotten the gate in the NBA, too.
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Old Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:03am
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http://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Gro...sert_FINAL.pdf

Appendix III

4. emphatically
removing one’s coat in response to a call/no-call or throwing
equipment or clothing on to the floor


This year the emphasis is apparently on:
1. Simply removing the coat emphatically.
2. Throwing equipment.
3. If the coat is already off, throwing it.
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Yes. And I think a coach would've gotten the gate in the NBA, too.
I don't think so...toss the jacket onto the court or in the stands sure. Toss is at your assistant coach? That's nothing.
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Come on, all she did was vigorously hand her jacket to an assistant.

Seriously though, I wouldn't have categorized that as tossing or throwing the jacket. It simply didn't go far enough and it went straight to an assistant coach who caught it without so much as a second thought.

For the high school level, I think the fit probably lasted long enough for a second T. For professional ball, I wouldn't expect a second T here.

I expect emotional responses to Ts and I don't want to pile on. If the jacket was slammed to the floor or launched across the floor, I'd think differently.
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Come on, all she did was vigorously hand her jacket to an assistant.

Seriously though, I wouldn't have categorized that as tossing or throwing the jacket. It simply didn't go far enough and it went straight to an assistant coach who caught it without so much as a second thought.

For the high school level, I think the fit probably lasted long enough for a second T. For professional ball, I wouldn't expect a second T here.

I expect emotional responses to Ts and I don't want to pile on. If the jacket was slammed to the floor or launched across the floor, I'd think differently.
Do you really think she "aimed" it at her assistant?
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Do you really think she "aimed" it at her assistant?
Yes, I think she does. Watch it again. She takes it off. Starts to throw it at the end line, thinks better of it, stops, turns, and throws it to the assistant.
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HS / NCAA - yes

WNBA - no (especially if it is female )....now you think I'm kidding listen to this.

In the NCAA - W handouts ( I work men's but saw this at a small college clinic), I guess bench decorum is a POE. Well the picture of a coach coaching on the court is a WOMAN ( no technical), but the picturre of a coach
screaming/ being demonstrative ont he court is a MAN.....you don't think the rules committee did that on purpose ?????


Makes you wanna go hmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!

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Old Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:17am
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Nope. That is not egregious enough for me at the college level. It was not directed at the official, was not a prolonged action, and her staff got her under control pretty quickly.

If this is a HS game, then yes....

(Let the criticism begin).....
At the Women's College level the tossing of the jacket is a separate act from the initial whack for arguing...two whacks.

How egregious do you want it to be? The NCAA said it really wants to clean up coaches’ behavior...you better whack that this year or nothing will change.
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