Sub question

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Reading too much into the question ...

True. But those rare times when a player reports without "sitting a tick" are usually after something like a time out, followed by a free throw, when another free throw will follow.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. But those rare times when a player reports without "sitting a tick" are usually after something like a time out, followed by a free throw, when another free throw will follow.

I had a supervisor who would ask a question and then someone would add all kinds of variables before answering. It would tick him off royally.

[Camron Rust]

The answer to the original question "After the first shot can the red team send in a sub for a non shooter" is ALWAYS yes. It is just that some specific team members may not be eligible substitutes.

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The answer to the original question "After the first shot can the red team send in a sub for a non shooter" is ALWAYS yes. It is just that some specific team members may not be eligible substitutes.

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

Icing the shooter?

Advantage not intended by the rules?

Just a couple of thoughts.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Icing the shooter?

Advantage not intended by the rules?

Just a couple of thoughts.

If the sub has reported in time to come in, just how long is that going to take? Not sure that 5 seconds can ice the shooter. Even so, I don't think I recall a rule against icing the shooter. If there were, they wouldn't let a team take even one timeout after time expired.

I don't see it as an advantage so what advantage are they getting that is not intended? The rules declare that it is a legal time to substitute so I'm would let them substitute.

Maybe the coach decided he wants to get his hothead to the bench so he doesn't do something stupid and cost his team the game.

Maybe the coach wants to put someone in the game so they can show up in the books as having played.

I'm not going to look for a reason to not do it when the rules are pretty clear unless there is a extremely clear reason to not do it.

[Adam]

I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one so they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one to they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

Wasn't there a ruling or interpretation that actually we only were supposed to allow subs that were all at the table at the same basic time? I hate old rulings that do not show up in current casebook plays, but I almost sure I remember where the 10 different substitutes was not what we were supposed to allow in the first place.

Peace

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

What about time expiring at the end of the game where FT's are going to be shot? We going to allow a time out to ice shooter? How many TO's can they call? to "ice the shooter"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

Courtesy to the shooter! No citation that I have found, but if I'm going to send the players to the bench area because time has expired, while we shoot the FT's, could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

Officials beckon substitutes all the time during intermissions. Sometimes substitutes report, and are beckoned, at the beginning of the intermission, more commonly they report, and are beckoned, right before the warning buzzer sounds. Except for when they report after the warning buzzer, when they report, we beckon them into the game. Are we wrong to do that?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Officials beckon substitutes all the time during intermissions. Sometimes substitutes report, and are beckoned, at the beginning of the intermission, more commonly they report, and are beckoned, right before the warning buzzer sounds. Except for when they report after the warning buzzer, when they report, we beckon them into the game. Are we wrong to do that?

IMO, yes, you are wrong. Just let them report and go back to the huddle. It's up to the scorer to tell you who is (or should be) in the game once the next quarter starts.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Courtesy to the shooter! No citation that I have found, but if I'm going to send the players to the bench area because time has expired, while we shoot the FT's, could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

Why are you sending them to their bench area?

The only thing you should be doing is not allowing them to line up in lane spaces....ensuring they are above the FT line extended and outside the 3-point arc like any FT where there will be no rebound. If they want to retreat to the part of the court near their bench while their other team members remain seated on the bench, fine. But, we shouldn't send them there.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why are you sending them to their bench area?The only thing you should be doing is not allowing them to line up in lane spaces....ensuring they are above the FT line extended and outside the 3-point arc like any FT where there will be no rebound. If they want to retreat to the part of the court near their bench while their other team members remain seated on the bench, fine. But, we shouldn't send them there.

Just do it to keep the players mainly away from each other while we are shooting free throws, so no extra curricular stuff can go on or trash talking, etc... That is where they are going after the free throws anyways because of time expiring, so that is where I send them for pre-cautionary measures.