Sub question

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After a timeout, and one free throw, if the incoming substitute didn't sit a tick, then "Yes" is the wrong answer.

The question seems clearly to be about whether a player who reports following the first horn of a timeout can sub in before time has run off the clock. Yes, he can, if there are FTs being shot. Reading too much into the question, however, can lead to all sorts of crappy things on the court.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

The question seems clearly to be about whether a player who reports following the first horn of a timeout can sub in before time has run off the clock. Yes, he can, if there are FTs being shot. Reading too much into the question, however, can lead to all sorts of crappy things on the court.

exaclty.

What if the sub had already been DQ'd?
What if the sub wasn't a team member?
What if time had expired?
What if the FTs were for a T?
What if the sub was wearing an illegal uniform or illegal apparel?

What if by "send in" the OP just meant "send onto the court" and not "report to the X by the scorer"?

But, it's better than a picture of a sub sandwich or whatever else might have been posted.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's better than a picture of a sub sandwich or whatever else might have been posted.

Trying to hold back. With all my being. The force is so strong. I must resist.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But, it's better than a picture of a sub sandwich or whatever else might have been posted.

Hearty laugh at that one. Thanks for the good start to my day.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Reading too much into the question ...

True. But those rare times when a player reports without "sitting a tick" are usually after something like a time out, followed by a free throw, when another free throw will follow.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True. But those rare times when a player reports without "sitting a tick" are usually after something like a time out, followed by a free throw, when another free throw will follow.

I had a supervisor who would ask a question and then someone would add all kinds of variables before answering. It would tick him off royally.

[Camron Rust]

The answer to the original question "After the first shot can the red team send in a sub for a non shooter" is ALWAYS yes. It is just that some specific team members may not be eligible substitutes.

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The answer to the original question "After the first shot can the red team send in a sub for a non shooter" is ALWAYS yes. It is just that some specific team members may not be eligible substitutes.

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

Icing the shooter?

Advantage not intended by the rules?

Just a couple of thoughts.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Icing the shooter?

Advantage not intended by the rules?

Just a couple of thoughts.

If the sub has reported in time to come in, just how long is that going to take? Not sure that 5 seconds can ice the shooter. Even so, I don't think I recall a rule against icing the shooter. If there were, they wouldn't let a team take even one timeout after time expired.

I don't see it as an advantage so what advantage are they getting that is not intended? The rules declare that it is a legal time to substitute so I'm would let them substitute.

Maybe the coach decided he wants to get his hothead to the bench so he doesn't do something stupid and cost his team the game.

Maybe the coach wants to put someone in the game so they can show up in the books as having played.

I'm not going to look for a reason to not do it when the rules are pretty clear unless there is a extremely clear reason to not do it.

[Adam]

I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one so they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

What about time expiring at the end of the game where FT's are going to be shot? We going to allow a time out to ice shooter? How many TO's can they call? to "ice the shooter"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

Courtesy to the shooter! No citation that I have found, but if I'm going to send the players to the bench area because time has expired, while we shoot the FT's, could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

Officials beckon substitutes all the time during intermissions. Sometimes substitutes report, and are beckoned, at the beginning of the intermission, more commonly they report, and are beckoned, right before the warning buzzer sounds. Except for when they report after the warning buzzer, when they report, we beckon them into the game. Are we wrong to do that?