Iguodala blocks his own dunk

[comical]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good point, NFHS and NCAA, you're stopping the game either way.

Now I'm really confused.

So there would be a stoppage in NCAA? Just when I think things are starting to make sense too ...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by comical

Now I'm really confused.

So there would be a stoppage in NCAA? Just when I think things are starting to make sense too ...

I hope this will clear it up.

1) IF the ball (in the opinion of the referee) cleared the net before contacting anything, it's a basket.
2) IF the ball (in the opinion of the referee) contacted the player before clearing the net, it's basket interference.

Given 1 and 2 - and given that play did NOT stop in the game we're talking about - the referees on the spot who had to see this in real-time, from 1 angle, must have ruled that neither 1 or 2 happened... they must have felt that the ball went into the net, and snapped back out - which in ANY code is simply - Play On.

Granted - it's pretty clear they were wrong, although you've seen some disagreement as to whether it was (1) or (2). But we have all had the advantage of replays and likely a better angle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by comical

Now I'm really confused.

So there would be a stoppage in NCAA? Just when I think things are starting to make sense too ...

In a game played under NFHS/NCAA/NBA rules, the only way play is NOT going to be stopped is if the ball popped out of the basket due to catching in the net. Otherwise, if the ball is touched while in the basket, there's going to be a basket interference call, or if the ball cleared, they'd blow the whistle and clarify with everyone that the basket counts, retrieve the ball, and avoid confusion.

[Adam]

But in FIBA, the only way you'd stop this is if it cleared the net first. Hitting the dunker before it clears the net is not, apparently, BI.

[Raymond]

I have no problem with anybody saying they would miss this call in real time as I'm sure I would also.

But to say that watching the replay that you don't see the ball clearing the net and then hitting AI in the chest before passing back up through the basket is bewildering.

[comical]

I think I've got it. Thanks, everybody.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But to say that watching the replay that you don't see the ball clearing the net and then hitting AI in the chest before passing back up through the basket is bewildering.

OK, I just went back and looked, frame by frame. There is one frame where it appears the ball has just contacted the player, and the top of the ball is behind net (from the POV of the camera). Depth perception is impossible to see in 2D, and it is not clear at all (especially looking at the immediately preceding frame) that the ball is not still contacting the net.

I grant you that the ball is likely beyond the point within the net where it's making enough contact to still snap the ball back up - but if we're judging BI vs Basket, the ball is not beyond the entirety of the net, and is not clearly lost contact with the net either.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

OK, I just went back and looked, frame by frame. There is one frame where it appears the ball has just contacted the player, and the top of the ball is behind net (from the POV of the camera). Depth perception is impossible to see in 2D, and it is not clear at all (especially looking at the immediately preceding frame) that the ball is not still contacting the net.

I grant you that the ball is likely beyond the point within the net where it's making enough contact to still snap the ball back up - but if we're judging BI vs Basket, the ball is not beyond the entirety of the net, and is not clearly lost contact with the net either.

Suffice it to say, I'm not one to sit back right here and castigate the officials who gave this a no-call, me not being there in the heat of the game, in transition, officiating the defense on that play, there in front of the whole entire world watching either in the arena or on TV. Heck, I'da probably lapsed into the old "blond deer in the headlights" thing and just stood there thinking, "What the Wide World of Sports just happened?!"
However, thanks to this thread I'm more clear on the relevant rules than I was before I found it. Interesting comparison with the thread a week or so ago entitled something like, "Dunk Pops Out" or similar.
Good discussion.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Suffice it to say, I'm not one to sit back right here and castigate the officials who gave this a no-call, me not being there in the heat of the game, in transition, officiating the defense on that play, there in front of the whole entire world watching either in the arena or on TV. Heck, I'da probably lapsed into the old "blond deer in the headlights" thing and just stood there thinking, "What the Wide World of Sports just happened?!"
However, thanks to this thread I'm more clear on the relevant rules than I was before I found it. Interesting comparison with the thread a week or so ago entitled something like, "Dunk Pops Out" or similar.
Good discussion.

Dunk That Pops Out or BI?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have no problem with anybody saying they would miss this call in real time as I'm sure I would also.

But to say that watching the replay that you don't see the ball clearing the net and then hitting AI in the chest before passing back up through the basket is bewildering.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

OK, I just went back and looked, frame by frame. There is one frame where it appears the ball has just contacted the player, and the top of the ball is behind net (from the POV of the camera). Depth perception is impossible to see in 2D, and it is not clear at all (especially looking at the immediately preceding frame) that the ball is not still contacting the net.

I grant you that the ball is likely beyond the point within the net where it's making enough contact to still snap the ball back up - but if we're judging BI vs Basket, the ball is not beyond the entirety of the net, and is not clearly lost contact with the net either.

Exactly, there is no way in the video linked above that anyone can conclusively say it cleared the net. There may be other videos with different angles that allow for that conclusion, but not this one.

At no time was there any complete clear line looking between the ball and the net. They were overlapping in the angle available. You simply can not conclude whether it was touching or not.