Whack a mole

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I whacked a coach this last year. I report the T and take the ball to administer free throws as we pre-gamed. The coach is talking to my partner a lot and still seems pretty mad.
One of the teams calls timeout and my partner walks up to me and says something along the lines of "You should hear what this coach is saying about you!" I asked what he said and got a response with the phrase "This young ahole thinks he can give me a T just because...blah blah blah. I won't see his *** again this year after I call (assigner's name)." I asked him why didn't send him home. He answered because he didn't want to do the paperwork.
I ended up running the coach and doing paperwork for that, and a nice email to my assigner as to why I don't want to see that partner again.

Beserk -

It sounds like you were right by administering both T's and then filling out the appropiate paperwork, however I WOULD NOT have sent the assigner an e-mail as to why you don't want to "see that partner again." I have been an
assigner at the hs level for 15 yrs and IMO you wouldn't be in my good graces
for that e-mail. Just fill out the paperwork for the T..... no more no less.

Your assigner will contact your partner and discuss the situation with him...heck it is "summer ball" = teaching moment. If there is a pattern with
that guy I am sure your assigner will take the appropiate steps.....

Your assigner may interpret your e -mail to be you are a "know it all" guy and that = high maintainance.


If he had called you after he received the paperwork then maybe a discussion would have been appropiate, but otherwise if he didn't ask for your opinion don't offer it......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Beserk -

It sounds like you were right by administering both T's and then filling out the appropiate paperwork, however I WOULD NOT have sent the assigner an e-mail as to why you don't want to "see that partner again." I have been an
assigner at the hs level for 15 yrs and IMO you wouldn't be in my good graces
for that e-mail. Just fill out the paperwork for the T..... no more no less.

Your assigner will contact your partner and discuss the situation with him...heck it is "summer ball" = teaching moment. If there is a pattern with
that guy I am sure your assigner will take the appropiate steps.....

Your assigner may interpret your e -mail to be you are a "know it all" guy and that = high maintainance.


If he had called you after he received the paperwork then maybe a discussion would have been appropiate, but otherwise if he didn't ask for your opinion don't offer it......

I think this depends on the assignor or the type of relationship you have with him or her. I mainly say this because there are assignor I would absolutely tell them this because I know the assignor rather well. Others I would never make that request. And if the assignor knows that a lot of people do not want to work with a particular official, then the assignor will keep in mind this when or if they assign the person in the future. Otherwise I totally agree the assignor could take it that way, but some assignors like more information from certain officials and for all we know Beserk might be one of those people.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I have been an
assigner at the hs level for 15 yrs and IMO you wouldn't be in my good graces
for that e-mail. Just fill out the paperwork for the T..... no more no less.

That's unfortunate. If you, as an assignor, put people in "bad graces" for informing you when a partner needs retraining, people will avoid telling you things that you DO need to know to be a good assignor. You should not shut this kind of communication down. (Obviously, if someone is CONSTANTLY telling you they don't want to work with people, you have a different problem on your hands.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

That's unfortunate. If you, as an assignor, put people in "bad graces" for informing you when a partner needs retraining, people will avoid telling you things that you DO need to know to be a good assignor. You should not shut this kind of communication down. (Obviously, if someone is CONSTANTLY telling you they don't want to work with people, you have a different problem on your hands.)

It's not my job to say if another official needs retraining unless my assignor has specifically asked for me to give that type of opinion. Otherwise I'm just supplying the facts to any unusual situations that occurred and I'll leave further interpretation up to the supervisor.

I prefer to volunteer unsoliticed opinion when someone is doing an outstanding job. Just my preference.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not my job to say if another official needs retraining unless my assignor has specifically asked for me to give that type of opinion. Otherwise I'm just supplying the facts to any unusual situations that occurred and I'll leave further interpretation up to the supervisor.

I prefer to volunteer unsoliticed opinion when someone is doing an outstanding job. Just my preference.

I was attempting to be polite wrt a situation where an official is not able to do his job. Perhaps "retraining" was not the best choice of words, but I assumed you all would know what I meant in the context of this thread. My main point was that an assignor should not shut down this communication. If you, as an official, would prefer to let bad officials slide without saying anything, that's your call. But if you DO choose to report such things to your assignor, the assignor should not put you in the penalty box for it (unless you're doing it all the time.).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I was attempting to be polite wrt a situation where an official is not able to do his job. Perhaps "retraining" was not the best choice of words, but I assumed you all would know what I meant in the context of this thread. My main point was that an assignor should not shut down this communication. If you, as an official, would prefer to let bad officials slide without saying anything, that's your call. But if you DO choose to report such things to your assignor, the assignor should not put you in the penalty box for it (unless you're doing it all the time.).

This is why I said it is really all predicated on the individual you are dealing with. I know I sometimes get asked about people because of who I am to those assignors or what I have done with them previously. I am also in a leadership role with my state, so that would be a different conversation. This would also be a different conversation if a multi-state final official or maybe college official. But if I was a first year guy or new to varsity, no I totally agree with others that it would probably not be the best thing. But I do agree with you that on some level you should be able to be open and honest with any assignor when needed. And if someone is causing a problem and they are not aware, then they could create further problems down the road. Then again there are certain assignors I would never comment to about my partners. You really need to know who you are dealing with in these situations.

Peace

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Beserk -

It sounds like you were right by administering both T's and then filling out the appropiate paperwork, however I WOULD NOT have sent the assigner an e-mail as to why you don't want to "see that partner again." I have been an
assigner at the hs level for 15 yrs and IMO you wouldn't be in my good graces
for that e-mail. Just fill out the paperwork for the T..... no more no less.

Your assigner will contact your partner and discuss the situation with him...heck it is "summer ball" = teaching moment. If there is a pattern with
that guy I am sure your assigner will take the appropiate steps.....

Your assigner may interpret your e -mail to be you are a "know it all" guy and that = high maintainance.


If he had called you after he received the paperwork then maybe a discussion would have been appropiate, but otherwise if he didn't ask for your opinion don't offer it......

I never said this was summer ball. This was a regular season game.

If you didn't like me for emailing you about a partner that left me hang with a coach then I would assume you do all of your referee evaluations yourself and not ask for any help. In that case you would establish the pattern yourself and would hopefully understand my frustration with this situation.

In this conference the assigner expects an email or call after any coach ejection. I sent an email to him, plus the state got their email they require. No where in my emails about the coach did I give any discription about my partner's actions.

I'm not sure how me not liking the actions of a partner would constitute me as a "know-it-all".

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I never said this was summer ball. This was a regular season game.

If you didn't like me for emailing you about a partner that left me hang with a coach then I would assume you do all of your referee evaluations yourself and not ask for any help. In that case you would establish the pattern yourself and would hopefully understand my frustration with this situation.

In this conference the assigner expects an email or call after any coach ejection. I sent an email to him, plus the state got their email they require. No where in my emails about the coach did I give any discription about my partner's actions.

I'm not sure how me not liking the actions of a partner would constitute me as a "know-it-all".