To Correct or Not

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I meant I posted the play originally in March

Change of heart now that it's summer or was that based on some folks at the time thinking the C was calling a palm?

My badd... no, I'm in the "get the play right" camp probably just a shot at the "let him live & die with his IC" folks.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by tref

My badd... no, I'm in the "get the play right" camp probably just a shot at the "let him live & die with his IC" folks.

We actually had a situation similar to this at camp this past weekend. I was the L so I wasn't involved but the C went over to the T after the T called backourt on a deflection situation and told the T the defense was the last to touch before the ball went over. T changed, we moved on and the observer was happy.

[JRutledge]

I would correct it at the T as this is my primary and I clearly would know if the player was in the FC or BC. I honestly do not know how the C in this particular case could make that call.

Peace

[johnny d]

as t i would come and offer c the info, after that choice is his. in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We actually had a situation similar to this at camp this past weekend. I was the L so I wasn't involved but the C went over to the T after the T called backourt on a deflection situation and told the T the defense was the last to touch before the ball went over. T changed, we moved on and the observer was happy.

What? The observer didnt want the C to wait for the T to ask

Originally Posted by johnny d

in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

Agreed, many times *we* try to show that we arent ball watching & miss plays high on the Cs side in transition. I think its good for the C to be fully aware of the ball & players in this situation & its okay if 4 eyes are on this play for a few seconds.
Where the C went wrong was not following the principles for calling in our 2ndary. He probably would've seen it better had he been actually trailing the play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by tref

What? The observer didn't want the C to wait for the T to ask

I think the observer would've run onto the court himself if the C didn't go on his own

[7IronRef]

Gotta say that I really don't like the C making this call even though he had a pretty good look.

It looks like he got the play right. Once the left foot comes off the floor, the right foot is clearly in the front court. It appears that both the left foot and the ball are no longer in contact with the court which means that the player has established front court status.

As soon as the ball touches the division line a violation has occurred.

Please cite "3 points rule" that is not a shot. I could not find it.

ART. 1
A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is in the backcourt if either the ball or the player (either player if the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt.

ART. 2
A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is in the frontcourt if *neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt.

ART. 3
A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

as t i would come and offer c the info, after that choice is his. in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

My comments were not about what he was thinking, he was not in position to make that call. He was going way from the division line and clearly did not see the ball as well as the T would have. It was clearly the wrong call and he was going away from the play or he did not understand the rule. It would be one thing if he was standing right on the line to see the entire play. He could not have seen the play and guessed.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was clearly the wrong call and he was going away from the play or he did not understand the rule.

You know, JRut, as I look at the C on this play I think there's a chance the latter might be true (though I hope it isn't).

He was looking right at A1 when he - the dribbler - crossed the division line. I was going to say maybe he - the C - anticipated something was about to go wrong but the whistle didn't come until a second or so after A1 entered the front court...meaning the C had a chance to think about what happened.

[Adam]

As one who is in the camp where I rarely correct a partner during the game, if a partner comes into my primary to make a call like this, we'll have a short "3 points" chat right away. It's one thing to let a partner officiate his primary area, it's quite another to let him officiate mine without input.

Oh, and tref was clearly using sarcasm in that last thread.