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Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 12:42pm
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I'm Not Sure This is Correct...Is It?

From a quiz in an officiating magazine:

Team A, trailing by five points and out of timeouts, has the ball first and goal on Team B's nine yard line. A2 catches a pass and is tackled inbounds on team B's one yard line. During the down A2 was flagged for pass interference and the penalty is accepted.
a. The penalty is 10 yards.
b. The penalty is 15 yards and a loss of down.
c. The penalty is 15 yards.
d. The clock starts on the snap.
e. The clock starts on the ready.
f. If the clock expires before team A can snap the ball, the period is extended for an untimed down.
g. If the clock expires before team A can snap the ball, the game is over.

The magazine lists the answers as b, e and f. I know it's fifteen yards and loss of down for OPI (7-5-10a Pen). Clock starts on the ready, fine. But I'm confused about (f) as it pertains to NFHS:

3-3-3: A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occured: (a) There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted, except for those fouls listed in 3-3-4b.

3-3-4: A period shall not be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurs:
(b) There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for:
1. unsportsmanlike fouls,
2. non-player fouls,
3.fouls that specify a loss of down

As OPI specifies a loss of down, you wouldn't extend the period for an untimed down, would you?

I know this is esoteric, but I wanted to be sure I wasn't reading something into this that isn't there or missing something.
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Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 02:05pm
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We would not extent in this case.

I forget who told me this, but these quiz's we see published in various places come out of a huge data base. I do believe this person told me the database was in excess of 3000 questions.

The problem is, unless someone screens the randomly pulled questions to see if they are still pertinent to today's rules, you get problems like this.

That rule changed in 2005. the database needs to be updated.
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Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 02:17pm
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b, e, and g.

Tom, what email addy can we use to get that database sent to you?
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Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 02:17pm
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I read that this morning and had a similar thought. Referee has another incorrect question? I'm shocked...
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Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 05:24pm
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BBRef.. There is no link to my knowledge. This was information passed on to me a couple years ago when another official and I were talking about where do they get these questions from. Mainly because we've seen that many an answer to the question was only good if you applied the rule from a year or two or three before.
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2008, 05:17pm
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Referee magazine incorrect quiz #250,231.
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