Marc Davis

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by tmagan

They use to say about boxing, when people cared about the sport, 'Another black eye for boxing.' You can use that phrase for the NBA these days.

Or as Chris Russo famously says about the NBA, 'Typical NBA!'.

I'm not sure why you're throwing a fellow official under the bus, but I find it troubling to say the least. We all make bad calls, no official is perfect, if the T was not warranted, I'm sure he is as mad at himself as any clippers fan.

If ONE call changes the way you feel about the NBA you aren't a NBA fan. You also have a deranged view of basketball and officiating. The NBA is viewed by many people as the top tier basketball with NCAA being at that level too. The officials are expected to match that level. 99.9% of the time they meet that standard.

There is controversy in NCAA basketball about pay to play, officials' schedules, officials' pay, and even missed calls. I can remember two occasions that a team had the misfortune of a bad call and at least one was in an end of the year tournament. Two years ago a crew missed a travel and an out of bounds at the end of a game. Last year a team had to play against 6 players, as I believe they were trying to defend a last second shot. Each crew was disciplined and life went on. How should these calls make me feel they tarnished the NCAA?

You sound like a fanboy and don't understand officiating. If you aren't a clippers fan and just commenting on one bad call, then you are worse than any fan that thinks he/she is your clinician for the night.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I'm not sure why you're throwing a fellow official under the bus, but I find it troubling to say the least. We all make bad calls, no official is perfect, if the T was not warranted, I'm sure he is as mad at himself as any clippers fan.

If ONE call changes the way you feel about the NBA you aren't a NBA fan. You also have a deranged view of basketball and officiating. The NBA is viewed by many people as the top tier basketball with NCAA being at that level too. The officials are expected to match that level. 99.9% of the time they meet that standard.

There is controversy in NCAA basketball about pay to play, officials' schedules, officials' pay, and even missed calls. I can remember two occasions that a team had the misfortune of a bad call and at least one was in an end of the year tournament. Two years ago a crew missed a travel and an out of bounds at the end of a game. Last year a team had to play against 6 players, as I believe they were trying to defend a last second shot. Each crew was disciplined and life went on. How should these calls make me feel they tarnished the NCAA?

You sound like a fanboy and don't understand officiating. If you aren't a clippers fan and just commenting on one bad call, then you are worse than any fan that thinks he/she is your clinician for the night.

I don't mind missing an eight second call, a common foul, an away from the play foul as that is common to the game. This was not common to the game. Thirty years ago, this would have happened and no one would notice. Today everyone is held accountable by the mass media we have and Marc Davis is no exception. You can't have bizarre calls like this taking away from the most important time of the year for the NBA.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

I don't mind missing an eight second call, a common foul, an away from the play foul as that is common to the game. This was not common to the game. Thirty years ago, this would have happened and no one would notice. Today everyone is held accountable by the mass media we have and Marc Davis is no exception. You can't have bizarre calls like this taking away from the most important time of the year for the NBA.

No one is saying that Davis should not be held accountable. But when people say that someone in officiating needs to be held accountable, that always cracks me up because this is not about you or me. He is accountable to his bosses and that is all that matters. Not that I am on that level, but I gave a T this year that was in dispute and the only people I had to answer to was the state and my assignor if he choose to say a word to me about the situation.

The media does not need to know the inner workings of what an employer was saying to an employee as they don't do that with the teams either. If a team has an issue, they work it mostly internally and then we might hear or see the results. If Davis did something wrong in this case he would be dealt with mostly privately. And if you do not see him any more, then you can draw some conclusions, but that does not mean those conclusions that you make are accurate either. For all we know Davis might have worked as far as he was going to work for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he did not grade out high enough during the regular season? Accountability does not mean that someone has to be accountable to you about anything.

Peace

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No one is saying that Davis should not be held accountable. But when people say that someone in officiating needs to be held accountable, that always cracks me up because this is not about you or me. He is accountable to his bosses and that is all that matters. Not that I am on that level, but I gave a T this year that was in dispute and the only people I had to answer to was the state and my assignor if he choose to say a word to me about the situation.

The media does not need to know the inner workings of what an employer was saying to an employee as they don't do that with the teams either. If a team has an issue, they work it mostly internally and then we might hear or see the results. If Davis did something wrong in this case he would be dealt with mostly privately. And if you do not see him any more, then you can draw some conclusions, but that does not mean those conclusions that you make are accurate either. For all we know Davis might have worked as far as he was going to work for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he did not grade out high enough during the regular season? Accountability does not mean that someone has to be accountable to you about anything.

Peace

He made the Finals last year and generally, unlike the NHL, the same people make the Finals every single year. As for everything remaining private, the toothpaste is out of the tube for that one. We have websites dedicated to NCAA men's basketball officials statistics and schedules the last 16 years. Every ejection in MLB is graded on a website for correct/incorrect calls (by the way it will not make Todd Tichenor look good when today's ejection is posted). The NBA has to post statements about incorrect late game calls. In today's world everyone is held accountable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

He made the Finals last year and generally, unlike the NHL, the same people make the Finals every single year.

Maybe I am wrong here, but I believe this was his first Finals last year. And you would be wrong that the same people make it every year. There might be some of the same names, but that does not mean that certain officials cannot be new or work their first time. There is theoretically a different crew make up every game. I am sure APG can shed some light on the overall process, but it is certainly not the same people and no one else new comes along or a new person every year is not eligible.

Originally Posted by tmagan

As for everything remaining private, the toothpaste is out of the tube for that one. We have websites dedicated to NCAA men's basketball officials statistics and schedules the last 16 years. Every ejection in MLB is graded on a website for correct/incorrect calls (by the way it will not make Todd Tichenor look good when today's ejection is posted). The NBA has to post statements about incorrect late game calls. In today's world everyone is held accountable.

You really need to be educated on a few things. The NCAA Men's stats that you refer to, is a website that basically goes through listed or common box score listings and tells you where someone has worked and what conferences someone is normally working. The information is not from the NCAA or the conferences directly.

MLB might grade and ejections and put it on a website, but I doubt they do it the way you suggest (and I doubt this is run by MLB, but I am not sure). And it is common knowledge that MLB does not get rid of their staff or members that make bad judgments or do not grade out with their peers. MLB basically allows an umpire to retire on their terms until maybe a certain age or certain years of service have been reached. MLB hardly even suspends their umpires for things they do. Heck if you look at the way MLB Umpires handle ejections I think Davis' ejection was tame.

And the NBA much more unforgiving of their staff than the MLB has ever been. Joe West is still an umpire that should tell you enough right there based on the controversial situations West has been involved in and his physical appearance.

If you do not like the way the NBA gives out information that is fine, but do not suggest it is a lack of accountability so you know what they think. I am sure there was a report made to the league on the situation as I am sure all of these situations are reported to the league. And NBA officials have many more fouls and no calls that they are evaluated than any MLB umpire has unless they are working behind the plate. A base umpire might be lucky if they have a single call to make in a game. The NBA does not owe you anything.

Peace

[APG]

Marc Davis (along with Ed Malloy) made his first Finals appearances last year.

And this whole bit about Marc Davis not being held accountable (assuming League Offices don't like the T) is silly. If they don't like the T, they'll rescind it, and maybe in this case, release a statement. If they really think the call is bad, they may even fine him and/or suspend him for a game or two. These things do happen, but the NBA (or any other professional sporting league in North America except for a rare occasion) doesn't make it public as a matter of policy .

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Marc Davis (along with Ed Malloy) made his first Finals appearances last year.

And this whole bit about Marc Davis not being held accountable (assuming League Offices don't like the T) is silly. If they don't like the T, they'll rescind it, and maybe in this case, release a statement. If they really think the call is bad, they may even fine him and/or suspend him for a game or two. These things do happen, but the NBA (or any other professional sporting league in North America except for a rare occasion) doesn't make it public as a matter of policy .

And if you did not watch the game live, you probably did not even know this took place. I doubt there is going to be much of an press release for this T even if they did not like the call.

Peace

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Marc Davis (along with Ed Malloy) made his first Finals appearances last year.

And this whole bit about Marc Davis not being held accountable (assuming League Offices don't like the T) is silly. If they don't like the T, they'll rescind it, and maybe in this case, release a statement. If they really think the call is bad, they may even fine him and/or suspend him for a game or two. These things do happen, but the NBA (or any other professional sporting league in North America except for a rare occasion) doesn't make it public as a matter of policy .

But the made free throw from the technical foul is not rescinded.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I'm not sure why you're throwing a fellow official under the bus,

I've got a theory...

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

You sound like a fanboy and don't understand officiating. If you aren't a clippers fan and just commenting on one bad call, then you are worse than any fan that thinks he/she is your clinician for the night.

This goes along with my theory.