NFHS View of Shot Clock

[Adam]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

So if states that use the shot clock lose a seat, then the NFHS essentially excludes supporters of a high school shot clock from having a voice in making it an option..

This assumes a few things that can't be assumed.
1. That all supporters of the shot clock reside in states that use the shot clocks. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in Colorado, for example, who would like to see a shot clock at the high school level.
2. That no one in the states who use the shot clock has the ear of someone who is actually on the committee. See JRutledge's post.
3. That no state has decided not to use the shot clock in order to maintain their status on the rules committee. They support it, but don't use it in order to maintain their voting status. Membership in any organization often includes a requirement to adhere to the rules.

As Camron pointed out, little deviations (like uniform waivers or extended coaching boxes) probably won't do it, but using the shot clock, complete disregard for NFHS mechanics manuals, or altering the number of TFs required for DQ, probably would.

It's not unreasonable to require a minimal level of compliance to maintain full membership rights.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As Camron pointed out,...
, complete disregard for NFHS mechanics manuals,....

I doubt that would do it. A lot of states use alternate mechanics...they are simply guidelines, not rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A lot of states use alternate mechanics.

Every high school, and most prep school, officials in the Constitution State use IAABO mechanics, yet we are allowed full representation in NFHS business.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As Camron pointed out, little deviations (like uniform waivers or extended coaching boxes) probably won't do it, but using the shot clock, complete disregard for NFHS mechanics manuals, or altering the number of TFs required for DQ, probably would.

It's not unreasonable to require a minimal level of compliance to maintain full membership rights.

When Mary Struckoff was in her position with the NF, she came to our state and said that the NF does not care what mechanics states decide to use. And she gave an example of a certain state, which I am not going to not mention to offend anyone that wanted to do something very unique and the NF thought their mechanic was silly. But they did not care what they taught and it had nothing to do with membership. Mechanics books are guides and states can come up with their own procedures if they like towards mechanics. And as I have stated before, our state has not handed out Mechanics Manuals for almost a decade in any sport because what the NF does is considered outdated in many cases and hard to change. So when our state sees something that does not work, they change it to what does work.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When Mary Struckoff was in her position with the NF, she came to our state and said that the NF does not care what mechanics states decide to use. And she gave an example of a certain state, which I am not going to not mention to offend anyone that wanted to do something very unique and the NF thought their mechanic was silly. But they did not care what they taught and it had nothing to do with membership. Mechanics books are guides and states can come up with their own procedures if they like towards mechanics. And as I have stated before, our state has not handed out Mechanics Manuals for almost a decade in any sport because what the NF does is considered outdated in many cases and hard to change. So when our state sees something that does not work, they change it to what does work.

Peace

Let me guess:

State: Texas
Mechanic: Blowing the whistle upon officials entering the visual vicinity.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Let me guess:

State: Texas
Mechanic: Blowing the whistle upon officials entering the visual vicinity.

No, not the state of Texas.

Peace

[Stat-Man]

Where does a non-official get the black & white striped jersey anyway? sporting good store? Official's supplier only?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Where does a non-official get the black & white striped jersey anyway? sporting good store? Official's supplier only?

I am sure Google works on many computers and someone can get it from any number of places.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Where does a non-official get the black & white striped jersey anyway?

You first have to get a job at Foot Locker.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No, not the state of Texas.

My turn:

State: Connecticut.
Mechanic: Shooter has foot touching three point line signal.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As Camron pointed out, little deviations (like uniform waivers or extended coaching boxes) probably won't do it, but using the shot clock, complete disregard for NFHS mechanics manuals, or altering the number of TFs required for DQ, probably would.

The way it was explained to me is that the NFHS categorizes rules based on "administrative" versus "playing" rules.

Rules about uniforms, officials' mechanics, etc, are considered administrative. Since modifying these rules should not fundamentally effect how the game is played, the NFHS doesn't care if you tweak them.

However, alterations to the "playing" rules, that could fundamentally effect how the game is played (e.g. shot clock, allowing illegal dribbles, changing how the pivot foot is established) is frowned upon and the "punishment" is the lack of vote that has been mentioned.

[rockyroad]

Since Washington has applied the shot clock, we have not had a vote on the rules changes, etc for many years. Now we have been told that the WIAA/WOA will be printing and distributing it's own mechanics manuals and POE's this summer, and we are being directed to use them and not the NFHS stuff. Not sure where that is headed, but I'm not liking it very much.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Since Washington has applied the shot clock, we have not had a vote on the rules changes, etc for many years. Now we have been told that the WIAA/WOA will be printing and distributing it's own mechanics manuals and POE's this summer, and we are being directed to use them and not the NFHS stuff. Not sure where that is headed, but I'm not liking it very much.

It could simply be a cost thing. The state can charge you just as much for membership and not have to spend the money on the NFHS books.....that would be many ten of thousands of dollars. They can distribute electronically for very little. If they distribute in paper, it can't be for costs since I double they could print the equivalent of the NFHS book for much less.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It could simply be a cost thing. The state can charge you just as much for membership and not have to spend the money on the NFHS books.....that would be many ten of thousands of dollars. They can distribute electronically for very little. If they distribute in paper, it can't be for costs since I double they could print the equivalent of the NFHS book for much less.

That's a nice thought...but that is not the reasoning I have been told, unfortunately.

Anyone else from Washington have info about this?

[JRutledge]

Rocky,

Do they have to produce a book? Can they produce a place to review the information like on PowerPoint or a PDF file?

My state stopped giving books years ago and not much has changed or affected our training programs. And if you are tied to books from a body that does not run your state, what happens if your state wants to change something or thinks that something in that book is outdated or flawed? I will admit that in basketball we do not waiver much from the NF and their procedures, but in other sports there were several mistakes made at the highest level because we followed the NF books to the letter.

Peace