NFHS View of Shot Clock

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

It's a Title IX world and we're just pawns in the game.

I am not talking about legality or the law; I am talking about the attitude that what we call or what we do at the girl's side is really the same as what boy's do in the same sport. People get offended when you suggest they are primarily a girl's or women's officials when the reality is that many officials that work that side (not all) are incapable or do not have the ability to handle a boy's game. It is not different than suggesting someone that works youth ball could not handle a varsity game, but it is not politically incorrect to make that statement.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what is going to be the remedy? If they do not have a shirt what the heck are we going to be able to do about it in the first place?

I foresee a message from supervisors stating, don't deal with this one. Contact us, and let us deal with it (a standing order regarding "X"s on the floor).

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Did that survey include girls games? Or was it just in boys games?

Not sure. My source didn't mention gender, so I can only assume it's across the board.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

How hard is it to have an X on the floor? We bought a moveable one that we put down in front of the table and our officials are fine with it.As to the scorer having to wear the black and white-guess I'm going to have to go shopping.Summer starts here in a month and a half.
Wonder if they'll be ok with us wearing the black and white over a school polo shirt?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not talking about legality or the law; I am talking about the attitude that what we call or what we do at the girl's side is really the same as what boy's do in the same sport. People get offended when you suggest they are primarily a girl's or women's officials when the reality is that many officials that work that side (not all) are incapable or do not have the ability to handle a boy's game. It is not different than suggesting someone that works youth ball could not handle a varsity game, but it is not politically incorrect to make that statement.

Peace

and I think that's exactly the way the NFHS wants it...no difference between the two. The Fed is in the political correctness business. Maybe not the exact legal wording but that's the essence of Title IX

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

No difference between the two.

This won't be true until everybody uses the same size basketball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

and I think that's exactly the way the NFHS wants it...no difference between the two. The Fed is in the political correctness business. Maybe not the exact legal wording but that's the essence of Title IX

My position is not really necessarily about the National Federation thinks or wants. My position is how people in general do not want to admit there is a major difference in what happens on a basketball court between the genders. The National Federation does not control what we talk about here and that constant debate comes up all the time just on this forum.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Boy field hockey star kicked off girls' team for being 'too good' | Fox News

Title IX cuts both ways, it would appear.

[That Don Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what is going to be the remedy? If they do not have a shirt what the heck are we going to be able to do about it in the first place?

What - nobody on the crew brought a spare?

Somewhat seriously, the "penalty" would probably be the same as the one if there's no X on the floor in front of the official scorer.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

As far as the scorer wearing the striped shirt - it's pretty simple: the AD of the school needs to buy a striped shirt and keep it with their table gear in the closet (or wherever they keep it). The scorer shows up for the Varsity game and it's sitting there waiting.

I can see two problems with this.

First, what if your scorer is five feet tall and your shirt is XL?

Second, what if the gym is hosting two or more games per night (e.g. freshman, JV, and varsity), and each has its own official scorer? Do you seriously want three different people wearing the same shirt over the course of a night?

Here's an idea: to make it clear that the official scorer is not an official, have the official scorer shirts with white stripes that are twice as wide as the black ones. (The rule will probably say "black and white vertical striped shirt", but make no reference to the width of the stripes. Personally, I liked to use a black and white horizontal striped rugby shirt.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by That Don Guy

Here's an idea: to make it clear that the official scorer is not an official, have the official scorer shirts with white stripes that are twice as wide as the black ones.

This will work just fine until the next officiating fad hits and the fetish with the greys ends:

wide stripes

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by That Don Guy

To make it clear that the official scorer is not an official ...

... have the officials wear black shirts with white stripes, and have the official scorekeeper wear a white shirt with black stripes. Problem solved.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by That Don Guy

What - nobody on the crew brought a spare?

I'm not giving a shirt to a scorer to wear. Personally, I don't *care* if the scorer has a striped shirt on or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I'm not giving a shirt to a scorer to wear. Personally, I don't *care* if the scorer has a striped shirt on or not.

Yep, I'd rather see the scorer wearing home team colors and face paint than lend them one of my shirts and risk most of a game fee.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Tim C

One of the editorial revisions approved by the committee concerns changes made last year in a team-control foul. The following language will be added to Rule 4-19-7: “ . . . including a member of the throw-in team from the start of the throw-in until player control is obtained inbounds.”

Thank goodness!! I begged my area's member of the Rules Committee to use this language when they made the change last season, and I was ignored. I didn't bother to re-submit it this year, but they changed it anyway!!

I honestly did not expect them to make this change. It's pretty much admitting that they screwed the pooch originally. But I'm very glad that they did -- for two reasons.

1) Obviously, it makes the rule better and removes the contradictions that we were supposed to officiate around all last season.

2) It shows that the committee listens to officials. Because you can be pretty darn sure that no coach or AD recognized all the issues that came from the change last year. So some official(s) somewhere got their attention and they were willing to correct a pretty big mistake.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This won't be true until everybody uses the same size basketball.

Great...now you just gave some attorney somewhere an idea for a title IX lawsuit...UNEQUAL BALL SIZE

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Now he's officially officially part of the crew.

Official Scorer. Not Timer. Not Shot Clock Operator. Not Special Advisor To Game Management & Officials.