The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 03:43am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 6
Unhappy Shot Clock rule in NFHS?

I am a new official starting out. I have been searching for shot clock rules in the NFHS Rules book. I cannot find anything on the shot clock, only scoring and timing. Only book that mentions shot clock rules is NCAA. Can someone tell me where does it state that a shot clock is used in High School?

Buildere8
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 03:47am
M.A.S.H.
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,030
You're not going to find it. NFHS doesn't use a shot clock.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 04:00am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 6
So who determines if shot clocks are used for high school games? The state associations.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 04:11am
M.A.S.H.
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,030
Quote:
Originally Posted by buildere8
So who determines if shot clocks are used for high school games? The state associations.
Yep.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 07:11am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,004
And there are only seven of them that elect to use one.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 09:10am
Fav theme: Roundball Rock
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Near Dog River (sorta)
Posts: 8,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by buildere8
I am a new official starting out. I have been searching for shot clock rules in the NFHS Rules book. I cannot find anything on the shot clock, only scoring and timing. Only book that mentions shot clock rules is NCAA. Can someone tell me where does it state that a shot clock is used in High School?

Buildere8
Instead of a shot clock, the Fed's way of preventing a team on offense to use unlimited time is via a closely guarded rule.

While in the offensive frontcourt only, briefly:

If a player is holding the ball, and is continually guarded by any defender that is within 6 feet of said ball holder, that ball holder has 5 seconds to legally dribble, pass, shoot, or request a timeout.

If a player is dribbling the ball, and is continually guarded by any defender that is within 6 feet of said dribbler, that dribbler has 5 seconds to start holding the ball, pass, shoot, or request a timeout.

The covering official should have a visual count for these 5-second countings.
__________________
Pope Francis
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 10:06am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref
And there are only seven of them that elect to use one.
We had the president of the coaches association come speak to our officials association recently. I was surprised to hear him say that they are pushing very hard to get the shot clock here. So.....perhaps it will be 8.
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 10:21am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
Quote:
Originally Posted by buildere8
So who determines if shot clocks are used for high school games? The state associations.
Who then forfeit their voice on the basketball rules committee.
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 12:59pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,173
IAABO Shot Clock Rules

Here in Connecticut, we use a shot clock for both boys, and girls, prep school games. These prep schools use a hybrid version of both NFHS and NCAA rules, although two prep school outside our area uase 100% NCAA rules.

IAABO—HIGH SCHOOL
SHOT CLOCK OPERATOR’S INSTRUCTIONS
Prepared by the Visualization and Education Committee of the International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, Inc.
PROCEDURES
�� Shot clock shall be used entire game . . . including any overtime periods
�� Shot clock duration for 30/35 seconds per State association
START SHOT CLOCK
�� Throw-In: When an in-bounds player legally touches or is touched by the ball
(Exception: Kicking ball)
�� Jump Ball: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Missed Try: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Missed Free Throw: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Loose Ball: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
OFFICIALS’ SIGNALS
�� RESET: A whirling motion of a pointed index finger above head
�� VIOLATION: Official taps top of head with open palm
WHEN TO RESET
�� Floor violations (except kicking)
�� Intentionally kicked ball: reset as per league or State association
�� Ball hits ring on a try or tap (shot clock stops) reset when team control acquired
�� Opponent secures CONTROL of the ball
�� Personal foul
�� Try/tap fails to hit ring and is recovered by opponent
�� Held ball (if DEFENSIVE team has A/P arrow)
�� Technical foul
WHEN NOT TO RESET
�� Defensive team touches ball, but does NOT gain CONTROL
�� Defensive team causes ball to go out of bounds
�� Defensive team causes a HELD BALL, but OFFENSIVE team has A/P arrow
�� Blocked tries/taps recovered by the OFFENSIVE team
�� Try/tap fails to hit ring and is recovered by OFFENSIVE team
�� Held ball during a throw-in and OFFENSIVE team has A/P arrow
�� Time-out is granted
�� Game is stopped due to injury or loss of glasses/contact lens
�� Game is stopped due to blood rule
�� Any shot at WRONG basket
ABSOLUTES
�� Participate with pregame meeting with referee
�� Be attentive, accurate and maintain focus during entire game, avoid distractions
�� Maintain eye contact with the official responsible for putting ball in play
�� Maintain an appearance of impartiality throughout the game
Rev. 9/2007
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 01:06pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,173
Connecticut IAABO Hybrid NFHS and NCAA Prep School Rules

FYI, here are our Connecticut IAABO hybrid NFHS and NCAA prep school rules:

PREP SCHOOL RULE DIFFERENCES

Connecticut prep schools follow National Federation High School rules except as presented within this document. There are 2 Connecticut prep schools, St Thomas Moore in Colchester and South Kent in Kent, which use NCAA rules. However, it is recommended to talk with both coaches before each game begins since they may agree to different rules depending on the team they play.

Boy/Girls
�� Two 16-minute halves
�� Visiting team wears white uniforms
�� No players in 1st marked lane space during free throw(s)
�� Players can leave marked lane spaces on release during free throw(s). Free Thrower and players around the arc must wait for ball to hit ring.

Girls
�� 30 second shot clock (see below)
�� 5 – 60-second and no 30-second timeouts
�� 10 second count in backcourt DOES NOT apply. Once the ball gains frontcourt status, the backcourt rule does apply.
�� 5-second closely guarded count applies only to player who is HOLDING the ball.

Boys
�� 35 second shot clock (see below)
�� 4 – 60-second and 2 – 30-second timeouts
�� 10 second count in backcourt DOES apply
�� No shot clock for sub-varsity games

SHOT CLOCK SITUATIONS
The shot clock is NOT RESET if a kicking violation occurs and the shot clock is 15 seconds or higher. If shot clock is below 15 seconds and a kicking violation occurs, the shot clock is set to 15 seconds.

SHOT CLOCK OFFICIATING GUIDELINES
When in doubt, consult with partner
- move away from coaches, players and benches to make decision
- Referee reports ruling to table and both coaches
- other official observes players and moves to where play will resume
Both officials must know where the shot clock is located (floor, wall, top of basket support) and that it starts, runs and resets. Either official can whistle the shot clock violation
Review in pre-game. If you have experience/knowledge, be considerate, not overbearing

If shot clock operator has no or limited knowledge/experience:
- be considerate, welcome individual to your “team”
- review basic duties; do not give an extended “clinic”
- talk with both coaches before game begins
If shot clock operator presents ongoing mistakes, consider:
- removal and replacement
- removal and officiate game with no shot clock
If all went well, share a positive comment
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 01:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MSN
Posts: 224
In the three states I've worked -no shot clocks- rarely does a possession last 30 seconds anyway.
Were the games slow and boring before the clock was instituted?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 05:50pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,643
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac
Free Thrower and players around the arc must wait for ball to hit ring.
Is that what the actual rule reads? What if the ball contacts the flange or backboard before it hits the ring?
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 06:06pm
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by LDUB
Is that what the actual rule reads? What if the ball contacts the flange or backboard before it hits the ring?
The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. That's a basic and Billy knew that.

Now you tell me....do the restrictions similarly end when the ball on a FT hits the flange?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 06:15pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. That's a basic and Billy knew that.
Not according to the rule Conn. IAABO rules.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Now you tell me....do the restrictions similarly end when the ball on a FT hits the flange?
Yes for an NCAA game.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Sun Feb 10, 2008, 07:00pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Who then forfeit their voice on the basketball rules committee.
However, if enough states go to it, the NFHS will eventually have no choice but to back down from this rediculous policy.
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Shot Clock - NY Carl Cramer Basketball 12 Thu Nov 16, 2006 09:02pm
H.S. Shot Clock garote Basketball 23 Mon Jul 10, 2006 01:45am
HS Shot Clock gostars Basketball 20 Tue Apr 19, 2005 03:31pm
Shot clock Redhouse Basketball 28 Wed Apr 13, 2005 04:20am
Shot Clock Problem, Without the Shot Clock!! rainmaker Basketball 6 Wed Jun 05, 2002 10:09am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:57am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1