Block/Charge RA Play: Off Rebound

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He did? What "path" was the defender going to? The other basket????? I don't think he was setting a screen.

Let me make sure I understand this right. If the defender is going in any direction, the offensive player is allowed to push, use shoulder or arms to keep a defender off of them? All of that because the defender is not in LGP?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me make sure I understand this right. If the defender is going in any direction, the offensive player is allowed to push, use shoulder or arms to keep a defender off of them? All of that because the defender is not in LGP?

Peace

No. This shooter didn't do any of that. He was in a normal position moving to a shot. Don't try to make a new situation out of this one just to be right.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. This shooter didn't do any of that. He was in a normal position moving to a shot. Don't try to make a new situation out of this one just to be right.

I am not trying to be right, just trying to understand your reasoning. The shooter all of a sudden went forward in an unusual manner to get contact and to shoot. That to me is a foul on the offensive player all day. Look, I am following the rule as stated which says it is illegal to do all those things I mentioned, including throwing a shoulder into their opponent (or extending their shoulder as the rulebook actually uses that language) to create space in an effort to get an open shot. And it seems that you are saying the only thing that matters is the defender is not in LGP and any contact that takes place involves them.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not trying to be right, just trying to understand your reasoning. The shooter all of a sudden went forward in an unusual manner to get contact and to shoot.

If you insist. That was a pretty basic an typical play to me...nothing at all unusual about it. He simply turned away from one side to the other to go up for a shot and found a defender coming at him and they collided.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That to me is a foul on the offensive player all day. Look, I am following the rule as stated which says it is illegal to do all those things I mentioned, including throwing a shoulder into their opponent (or extending their shoulder as the rulebook actually uses that language) to create space in an effort to get an open shot. And it seems that you are saying the only thing that matters is the defender is not in LGP and any contact that takes place involves them.

Peace

If he threw his shoulder into the opponent fine, but he didn't. He made a normal move and the defender was moving in without LGP and there was normal contact...block. The offensive player may not have been perpendicular to the floor but I really doubt you call charges on all shooters who are less than 100% vertical while a defender moves into them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you insist. That was a pretty basic an typical play to me...nothing at all unusual about it. He simply turned away from one side to the other to go up for a shot and found a defender coming at him and they collided.

I was not saying it was an unusual play. I said that his actions were unusual or not about just going to the basket to shoot. Players that shoot the basketball in that matter unless they are trying to create some space first to get an open shot. He was right under the basket, why would he go forward instead of just jump up to put the ball back into the basket? I see that often and often call it a foul on the ball handler.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If he threw his shoulder into the opponent fine, but he didn't. He made a normal move and the defender was moving in without LGP and there was normal contact...block. The offensive player may not have been perpendicular to the floor but I really doubt you call charges on all shooters who are less than 100% vertical while a defender moves into them.

You can keep saying he didn't, but most people here seem to think he did. And the only reason the official in this tape called otherwise was because of the position of the defender in the RA. If it was just a block, he does not need point to the RA to sell the call. As I have said before, this is why we get paid the big bucks and we all have to decide why we make calls. You certainly do not have to agree with my position at all (like that is unusual), I still will call this play the way I see the rules and this is a PC foul all day and twice on Sunday.

Peace