Block/Charge: RA Play

[APG]

Originally Posted by tref

Where is this play from APG? Lots of good teaching points here!

The L who hasnt made it to the endline yet should be expecting another whistle on this play as it comes from the C but it didnt seem like he was cognizant of a second whistle.

I think that when we receive info & change the call, it needs to be done bigger. After giving the info I'd like to see the C stay tableside & go administer the FT instead of going back to his old position.

I'm not sure who the teams are.

I'm not sure if the lead, after changing his call was thinking this, but in general, I wouldn't be overly demonstrative in signaling when changing the call when so close to the coach that just had a call changed against him. I do think the lead could have been a bit sharper here though.

[BillyMac]

I wish that college officials would stick up a fist when calling a foul.

[Scrapper1]

I agree that the officials handled this in textbook fashion. I will add only this: Somebody better darn well have the number of the defensive player. The Lead definitely won't have it because he's going the other way, so he's focused on A1's number.

It will be real easy for the C to lose the number as well, because he's now focused on getting to the Lead before he gets to the table.

The Trail very rarely needs to get the number of the fouler, so will likely not even think about it when it happens.

And this is NOT reviewable by rule. (Although you can always lie and say you're checking to make sure you have the right shooter.)

All this is to say, now that we're all comfortable with the actual mechanics of changing the call, we need to start pre-gaming who will grab the number of the fouler.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

All this is to say, now that we're all comfortable with the actual mechanics of changing the call, we need to start pre-gaming who will grab the number of the fouler.

It better be the guy coming into make it a block since he's the one "making" that call.

[brainbrian]

Another teaching moment here is the trail doesn't get sucked into the officials meeting and keeps his eyes on the players and gets the ball.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It better be the guy coming into make it a block since he's the one "making" that call.

It better be, but in the heat of "OMG, he missed that b/c of the arc!", it might easily slip the mind at the moment. Just thought mentioning it in pre-game might be helpful to avoid any problems later.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm not sure who the teams are.

After a quick investigation it looks like Alderson-Broaddus @ Pitt-Johnstown in the West Virginia Intercollegiate Conference (D-II).

As for how it was handled, nice job though I would agree with those who say the L could've been a little more demonstrative in making the change.

On another front: this is one of those plays where as an NCAAW's official I say the problem could have been avoided if the C had taken the play from the start since the drive initiated from - and ended in - his PCA.

And yes, I remember from previous posts by the NCAAM folks that your mechanic is to have the L take these.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

After a quick investigation it looks like Alderson-Broaddus @ Pitt-Johnstown in the West Virginia Intercollegiate Conference (D-II).

As for how it was handled, nice job though I would agree with those who say the L could've been a little more demonstrative in making the change.

On another front: this is one of those plays where as an NCAAW's official I say the problem could have been avoided if the C had taken the play from the start since the drive initiated from - and ended in - his PCA.

And yes, I remember from previous posts by the NCAAM folks that your mechanic is to have the L take these.

Don't you think that without the RA considerations that the Lead got the call right? In this play it looks like the Leads mistake was that when he reached the endline his eyes went up first instead of checking B2's feet for the arc.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't you think that without the RA considerations that the Lead got the call right? In this play it looks like the Leads mistake was that when he reached the endline his eyes went up first instead of checking B2's feet for the arc.

There's the problem: you can't eliminate the RA consideration, which means the L got it wrong.

In NCAAW the L's responsibility would be picking up that player as the secondary and helping the C in case he was the one who mistakenly called it a PC.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

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As for how it was handled, nice job though I would agree with those who say the L could've been a little more demonstrative in making the change.

What's funny is that this official, who has a pretty decent career going for himself, used to be overly demonstrative.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

And yes, I remember from previous posts by the NCAAM folks that your mechanic is to have the L take these.

Not doubles coming from the slots side...

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by tref

Not doubles coming from the slots side...

Thanks. I spend enough time trying to digest the info in the women's CCA manual

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

After a quick investigation it looks like Alderson-Broaddus @ Pitt-Johnstown in the West Virginia Intercollegiate Conference (D-II).

As for how it was handled, nice job though I would agree with those who say the L could've been a little more demonstrative in making the change.

On another front: this is one of those plays where as an NCAAW's official I say the problem could have been avoided if the C had taken the play from the start since the drive initiated from - and ended in - his PCA.

And yes, I remember from previous posts by the NCAAM folks that your mechanic is to have the L take these.

This was handled very well in this situation... the convo was a little long for my liking, but they got it right in the end. I agree with the rest of you in that the lead could've been a little sharper in changing his call to a blocking foul (this was probably the first time he had to do this though). However, the mechanics that he showed in changing the call were spot on.

And yes, if this were NCAAW, the C should be taking this all the way...