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APG Fri May 04, 2012 12:17pm

Block/Charge: RA Play
 
Nothing really that "controversial" in my opinion on the play...just like how the slot/center offered the additional information on the play

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JugglingReferee Fri May 04, 2012 12:18pm

Excellent video!

tref Fri May 04, 2012 12:36pm

Where is this play from APG? Lots of good teaching points here!

The L who hasnt made it to the endline yet should be expecting another whistle on this play as it comes from the C but it didnt seem like he was cognizant of a second whistle.

I think that when we receive info & change the call, it needs to be done bigger. After giving the info I'd like to see the C stay tableside & go administer the FT instead of going back to his old position.

JRutledge Fri May 04, 2012 12:46pm

Great real live example of how to change a call properly from the RA.

Peace

Da Official Fri May 04, 2012 12:51pm

From what I can tell the Lead got the call right (the first call of Offensive foul). I would have liked him to close fist and hold to give C the 1st crack though. Don't think I've ever seen and official change a foul call after talking to another official. :cool:

Camron Rust Fri May 04, 2012 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 840236)
From what I can tell the Lead got the call right (the first call of Offensive foul). I would have liked him to close fist and hold to give C the 1st crack though. Don't think I've ever seen and official change a foul call after talking to another official. :cool:

Well, when it involves the RA, it can easily happen. It is no longer a judgment call about whether it is a charge or a block but an automatic block, by rule.

tref Fri May 04, 2012 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 840236)
From what I can tell the Lead got the call right (the first call of Offensive foul). I would have liked him to close fist and hold to give C the 1st crack though. Don't think I've ever seen and official change a foul call after talking to another official. :cool:

The NCAA adopted the RA this season & as JRut points out, the crew handled it in textbook fashion.

Da Official Fri May 04, 2012 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 840242)
The NCAA adopted the RA this season & as JRut points out, the crew handled it in textbook fashion.

Ahh RA...cool. Understand now. Thanks. I assumed this was high school these kids look rather small. LOL!

JRutledge Fri May 04, 2012 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 840244)
Ahh RA...cool. Understand now. Thanks. I assumed this was high school these kids look rather small. LOL!

Well it does look like "small college ball." That comes with the territory. ;)

Peace

APG Fri May 04, 2012 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 840228)
Where is this play from APG? Lots of good teaching points here!

The L who hasnt made it to the endline yet should be expecting another whistle on this play as it comes from the C but it didnt seem like he was cognizant of a second whistle.

I think that when we receive info & change the call, it needs to be done bigger. After giving the info I'd like to see the C stay tableside & go administer the FT instead of going back to his old position.

I'm not sure who the teams are.

I'm not sure if the lead, after changing his call was thinking this, but in general, I wouldn't be overly demonstrative in signaling when changing the call when so close to the coach that just had a call changed against him. I do think the lead could have been a bit sharper here though.

BillyMac Fri May 04, 2012 03:59pm

Star Light, Star Bright, The First Star I See Tonight ...
 
I wish that college officials would stick up a fist when calling a foul.

Scrapper1 Fri May 04, 2012 08:27pm

I agree that the officials handled this in textbook fashion. I will add only this: Somebody better darn well have the number of the defensive player. The Lead definitely won't have it because he's going the other way, so he's focused on A1's number.

It will be real easy for the C to lose the number as well, because he's now focused on getting to the Lead before he gets to the table.

The Trail very rarely needs to get the number of the fouler, so will likely not even think about it when it happens.

And this is NOT reviewable by rule. (Although you can always lie and say you're checking to make sure you have the right shooter.)

All this is to say, now that we're all comfortable with the actual mechanics of changing the call, we need to start pre-gaming who will grab the number of the fouler.

Camron Rust Fri May 04, 2012 09:29pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 840297)

All this is to say, now that we're all comfortable with the actual mechanics of changing the call, we need to start pre-gaming who will grab the number of the fouler.

It better be the guy coming into make it a block since he's the one "making" that call.

brainbrian Fri May 04, 2012 11:15pm

Another teaching moment here is the trail doesn't get sucked into the officials meeting and keeps his eyes on the players and gets the ball.

JetMetFan Sat May 05, 2012 06:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 840272)
I'm not sure who the teams are.

After a quick investigation it looks like Alderson-Broaddus @ Pitt-Johnstown in the West Virginia Intercollegiate Conference (D-II).

As for how it was handled, nice job though I would agree with those who say the L could've been a little more demonstrative in making the change.

On another front: this is one of those plays where as an NCAAW's official I say the problem could have been avoided if the C had taken the play from the start since the drive initiated from - and ended in - his PCA.

And yes, I remember from previous posts by the NCAAM folks that your mechanic is to have the L take these. :)


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