NF 4-44-5 Traveling

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's the NFHS interpretation

Where's that written?

[tref]

Originally Posted by smitty

where's that written?

ikr

[Rob1968]

In the OP, I was about to make the traveling call, and then realized that the intent of the player was not to "get up or stand". The coach wouldn't let it go, and because we have a good relationship, I told him I'd look for some official interp. But, as evidenced by the entries on this thread, so far, there's no reference that would define the issue.
I really don't care which way an official interp may go. I find it curious that we haven't been able to quote a recognized source - NFHS, IAABO, etc, other than the practiced, well respected opinions of our colleagues, which do carry some weight and value.
As stated by several posters, the ambiguity may be the real point.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

But, as evidenced by the entries on this thread, so far, there's no reference that would define the issue.......

I find it curious that we haven't been able to quote a recognized source - NFHS, IAABO, etc,

That's because the rules makers feel that officials should have enough sense to know that this is a violation. ( they're right )

If they had to document every potentital scenario in the book, then they'd be still printing the First Edition.

[just another ref]

If a player is on his knees and then shifts his position, placing a foot on the floor, this is a normal progression of events toward standing, even if it was not the player's intent to do so. This is a violation every time.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a player is on his knees and then shifts his position, placing a foot on the floor, this is a normal progression of events toward standing, even if it was not the player's intent to do so. This is a violation every time.

Yeahbut...what if he lifts his leg, but doesn't put his foot on the floor? He just sort of waves his foot in the air, thus faking that he is attempting to stand. Do we call the travel violation, or do we T him, or do we simply freeze with indecision because we - although we are averagely intelligent - cannot figure out what the hell the kid is doing?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a player is on his knees and then shifts his position, placing a foot on the floor, this is a normal progression of events toward standing, even if it was not the player's intent to do so. This is a violation every time.

... and every time in my games, also.

[Camron Rust]

Hmmm....how would you call this play....

A1 has the ball while on both knees. A1 lifts his left knee and returns it to the floor.

What is your call? Does it matter if the lift is 2" or 10"?

A1 then lifts his right knee and returns it to the floor.

Do you have a call now? If not, What if A1 repeats the above actions 2 times, 3 times, 10 times?

Still not traveling? How many times can A1 lift a knee and put it back down on the floor? How far can A1 move using such a technique?

If the traveling rule only regulates foot movement, and not knee movement, is this a legal tactic?

Or, does it make sense to consider the lifting and returning to the floor of a foot/knee while the player is on the floor as if the knee/foot were a pivot foot?