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[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Any call we can make via a discernable act, rather than via judgment, makes thing more objective than subjective, and is better for everyone involved.

Whatever all that means. But making a call needs to be backed up by a particular rule infraction, and without clearly written rules, you will continue to have official's interpretations vary.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Whatever all that means. But making a call needs to be backed up by a particular rule infraction, and without clearly written rules, you will continue to have official's interpretations vary.

+1

Thats the reason why I would wait & see if a knee to foot is an truly an attempt to get up or just an attempt to get off that sore knee. I believe there is a difference. Afterall, whenever I attempt to get up, I always wind up in a standing position on my feet.

IMO, being patient on violations & giving ourselves a chance to replay it in our minds before blowing is the best practice.

In the OP he passed the ball immediately after going knee to foot. Too bad we cant see the play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Thats the reason why I would wait & see if a knee to foot is an truly an attempt to get up or just an attempt to get off that sore knee. I believe there is a difference. Afterall, whenever I attempt to get up, I always wind up in a standing position on my feet.

IMO, being patient on violations & giving ourselves a chance to replay it in our minds before blowing is the best practice.

In the OP he passed the ball immediately after going knee to foot. Too bad we cant see the play.

I just know as I move up the ladder calling those 50/50, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, violations does not serve me well. If you have to get into a debate about the intricacies of such a call then let it go. If he is obviously getting up, then go get it.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just know as I move up the ladder calling those 50/50, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, violations does not serve me well. If you have to get into a debate about the intricacies of such a call then let it go. If he is obviously getting up, then go get it.

Bingo! Too many times WE make the "gotcha" call & then have to rewind it several times (if we even do filmwork) to justify the call. Patience...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Bingo! Too many times WE make the "gotcha" call & then have to rewind it several times (if we even do filmwork) to justify the call. Patience...

Too many times we avoid making close/tough calls because we're afraid of catching heat over them.

Most times it is spitting hairs about whether a player did something or not and I'm fine with staying out of those.....such as a travel call when the dribble release and foot movement were really close in time.

In this case, a clear change of position is hard to dispute. From two knees to a foot and a knee is hard to dispute. You can say it isn't part of getting up but if it isn't, why is the player doing it...it gives them a more advantageous stance from which to make a play.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In this case, a clear change of position is hard to dispute. From two knees to a foot and a knee is hard to dispute. You can say it isn't part of getting up but if it isn't, why is the player doing it...it gives them a more advantageous stance from which to make a play.

Pivoting gives a player a more advantageous position as well. That's legal. I just have a hard time saying without a doubt that moving from two knees to one is an attempt to get up, unless their next move is to get up. The rule isn't clear enough. Maybe your interpretation is clear to you. But it isn't to me. And others - which kind of makes it disputable. That's a problem in the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Pivoting gives a player a more advantageous position as well. That's legal. I just have a hard time saying without a doubt that moving from two knees to one is an attempt to get up, unless their next move is to get up. The rule isn't clear enough. Maybe your interpretation is clear to you. But it isn't to me. And others - which kind of makes it disputable. That's a problem in the rule.

This one is certainly more ambiguous than faking a foul, I'll grant you that.

My opinion comes from the fact that it is a violation to contact the ground with any part of the body other than a hand or foot while holding the ball. I see that breaking contact with the ground of the same situation as the attempt to get up....aside from the permitted act of sitting up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just know as I move up the ladder calling those 50/50, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, violations does not serve me well. If you have to get into a debate about the intricacies of such a call then let it go. If he is obviously getting up, then go get it.

+1, Yep or any other agreement I can think of.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Thats the reason why I would wait & see if a knee to foot is an truly an attempt to get up or just an attempt to get off that sore knee. I believe there is a difference. Afterall, whenever I attempt to get up, I always wind up in a standing position on my feet.

Do you wait for a shooter to release a shot (or even make a shot) before you consider it a shot? An attempt doesn't have to be successful to be an attempt?

If he wants to lift the knee slightly, that will get him off a sore knee...but he doesn't need to get to a foot to accomplish that.

Do you let players travel who have a sore ankle?