Jeff Van Gundy on "Flopping"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless you live in Central Illinois and you live in my home town then you could not have worked with me that much. Maybe we have worked together but do not exaggerate what we have done on the court.

Peace

I'm guessing he's speaking metaphorically.

[Raymond]

The most prevelant example of players faking be fouled are 3-point shooters who fling themselves to the ground when the defender breathes on them.

How many of you "call the T and flopping will stop" grandstanders have ever called a T for it?

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The most prevelant example of players faking be fouled are 3-point shooters who fling themselves to the ground when the defender breathes on them.

How many of you "call the T and flopping will stop" grandstanders have ever called a T for it?

I understand where you're going & I seriously doubt guys are whacking players for that. Many people feel that the acting 3 point shooter put himself in a bad defensive position by laying down & that is penalty enough as everyone is headed the other way.
Cant blame the player for trying, they know if the covering official is watching the flight of the ball, they might get that call. Smart players!

IMO bodies down in the paint is of more concern than a shooter down at the arc.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The most prevelant example of players faking be fouled are 3-point shooters who fling themselves to the ground when the defender breathes on them.

How many of you "call the T and flopping will stop" grandstanders have ever called a T for it?

Making the statement "call the T and flopping will stop" doesn't mean I'm going to call it. It just means that I believe that if you were to call the T, the flopping would stop.....and it would.

However, I'm not going out there and calling a different game than my peers even if I believe it would solve a problem and make the game better. I don't care to be a pioneer by enforcing a rule that no one else enforces.

[JRutledge]

Again problem is solved if you simply do not call anything. I have told player their acting usually makes me think they were not fouled. Either way the message is sent.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Again problem is solved if you simply do not call anything. I have told player their acting usually makes me think they were not fouled. Either way the message is sent.

Peace

Not really... because sometimes they're successful. You might be able to talk them out of continuing that night, but they'll be back at it the next night.

If they're successful once out of several times and there is no penalty for the times they're unsuccessful, there is no deterrence. Why not keep trying. Eventually they'll hook one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not really... because sometimes they're successful. You might be able to talk them out of continuing that night, but they'll be back at it the next night.

If they're successful once out of several times and there is no penalty for the times they're unsuccessful, there is no deterrence. Why not keep trying. Eventually they'll hook one.

So all the times you here "and 1" you see a call made? Isn't that a way to suggest you were fouled?

It is one thing to get one benefit but it is another to try something that barely works. I get it, flopping or embellishing works from time to time. But it often does not work with experienced officials. And at most youth levels kids are not skilled enough to do it effectively. Even college players are not very skilled to do it successfully. This is one of the reasons for years you would see no calls for this and we would complain that train wreaks were not being called at higher levels.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So all the times you here "and 1" you see a call made? Isn't that a way to suggest you were fouled?

It is one thing to get one benefit but it is another to try something that barely works. I get it, flopping or embellishing works from time to time. But it often does not work with experienced officials. And at most youth levels kids are not skilled enough to do it effectively. Even college players are not very skilled to do it successfully. This is one of the reasons for years you would see no calls for this and we would complain that train wreaks were not being called at higher levels.

Peace

Of course not. A statement ("and 1") is not an action. It is asking for a foul. It is not making it appear there was one.

I see enough flops get a call that it is an issue. It would not be in the spotlight as much as it is right now if it were not an issue...even at the top levels.