From ESPN's H.S. showcase...NFHS Rule 4-44-3b in action (sort of)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not a dribble.

Snaqs, actually it could be considered a dribble since A1 put the ball on the floor. Regardless, both a dribble and a pass are covered under 4-44-3b.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Snags, actually it could be considered a dribble since A1 put the ball on the floor. Regardless, both a dribble and a pass are covered under 4-44-3b.

You're right (except there's no G in my interwebs name). It could be a dribble, but I don't deem it so if the player never touches it again. He obviously doesn't attempt to touch the ball again, so I'm going with a pass.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're right (except there's no G in my interwebs name). It could be a dribble, but I don't deem it so if the player never touches it again. He obviously doesn't attempt to touch the ball again, so I'm going with a pass.

Cool, I get your point.

And your spelling

[just another ref]

Rehashing an old argument: Nothing in the definition of a dribble requires a second touch by the player in control. On the release, it is either a pass, a try, a fumble or a dribble. In the OP, the release seems intentional, so no fumble. I can't imagine calling it a try. A pass, by definition is "to another player." No other player is available here, so that leaves a dribble, which, by definition, occurs when the ball hits the floor. Violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Rehashing an old argument: Nothing in the definition of a dribble requires a second touch by the player in control. On the release, it is either a pass, a try, a fumble or a dribble. In the OP, the release seems intentional, so no fumble. I can't imagine calling it a try. A pass, by definition is "to another player." No other player is available here, so that leaves a dribble, which, by definition, occurs when the ball hits the floor. Violation.

And how is a dribble defined?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And how is a dribble defined?

"......bats or pushes the ball to the floor, once or several times."

[JRutledge]

It looks like a travel to me.

BTW, I T'd up the La Lumiere coach in a tournament where he was coaching another team.

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[Nevadaref]

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He's been around for a long time in that area.

[Raymond]

I couldn't get past the horrible positioning of the crew on this play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I couldn't get past the horrible positioning of the crew on this play.

You didn't like the two-trail look?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

You didn't like the two-trail look?

Actually more like Lead and Center strong-side, Trail near the division line weak-side. I don't know what was going on.

[rockyroad]

The ball was pushed to the floor - that's the start of a dribble. Since his pivot foot came off the floor before that, it's a travel. Snaqs - I'm having a hard time seeing it as anything else and I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The ball was pushed to the floor - that's the start of a dribble. Since his pivot foot came off the floor before that, it's a travel. Snaqs - I'm having a hard time seeing it as anything else and I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here?

I wouldn't call it a travel until I knew for sure it was a dribble. Normally, these players throw it somewhere, anywhere, knowing they can't come down with it or dribble it. This player did the same thing, he let it go and hoped a teammate would come get it. To me, that's a pass, not a dribble, even if it's a bad pass.

[ballgame99]

I would agree with the travel just because he pushes it basically strait down, if he had pushed it away from himself you could call it a pass; but on the spot with the whistle in my mouth it would be hard not to whistle this a travel. I still don't understand why they went to the arrow.

[tref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

but on the spot with the whistle in my mouth it would be hard not to whistle this a travel.

Not when you keep the air in your belly and factor in discipline, patience & benefit of the doubt.