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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:56pm
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I wonder how this became a jump ball. Stick with original call or IW and give ball back to original team.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:27pm
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I wonder how this became a jump ball. Stick with original call or IW and give ball back to original team.
Thus making the problem that much worse...
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:30pm
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Thus making the problem that much worse...
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If we have an IW we resume play using POI correct? So in this case no one had established possession following the shooter releasing the ball. So I would think the arrow is the way to go w/o seeing a rules reference telling me otherwise???
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Agree....it has to either be a travel or a IW (and most here agree that it wouldn't be a dribber/travel until the player touches it again).


The ONLY way to get to a jump ball would be to declare it a shot....a really bad shot.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 04:17pm
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If we have an IW we resume play using POI correct? So in this case no one had established possession following the shooter releasing the ball. So I would think the arrow is the way to go w/o seeing a rules reference telling me otherwise???
No, he's not a shooter and it was not a shot....so team control persists.
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If we have an IW we resume play using POI correct? So in this case no one had established possession following the shooter releasing the ball. So I would think the arrow is the way to go w/o seeing a rules reference telling me otherwise???
The question would be whether the officials ruled a try was attempted. If that's the case then yes, the POI would be neither team in control and the AP procedure would be used. However, did A1 shoot the ball? If he didn't, then Team A was still in control.
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If we have an IW we resume play using POI correct? So in this case no one had established possession following the shooter releasing the ball. So I would think the arrow is the way to go w/o seeing a rules reference telling me otherwise???
Yes, POI woudl be the way to go with an IW. Since, there was not an actual attempt a violation occurred that's we go with.
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No, he's not a shooter and it was not a shot....so team control persists.
See I was going under the premise he was in the act of shooting. He realized he was going to get rejected and just released the ball.. If he fumbled it then yes I see the logic.
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Yes, POI woudl be the way to go with an IW. Since, there was not an actual attempt a violation occurred that's we go with.
What would the violation be??
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See I was going under the premise he was in the act of shooting. He realized he was going to get rejected and just released the ball.. If he fumbled it then yes I see the logic.
There's more than those two options. If he fumbled it, he would be allowed to retrieve it, and an IW would revert to the team in control. If he shot it, he could retrieve it, but an IW would go to the arrow. If he purposefully released it without trying for goal (my judgment on this play), then he can not retrieve it or even be the first to touch it; and an IW should go to the team with control.

No way this is a shot or a fumble. It's just a bad pass.
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What would the violation be??
His violation is for going into the air with nothing to do with the ball. It's not something we deal with from the whistle, though; it's a coaching issue.
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There's more than those two options. If he fumbled it, he would be allowed to retrieve it, and an IW would revert to the team in control. If he shot it, he could retrieve it, but an IW would go to the arrow. If he purposefully released it without trying for goal (my judgment on this play), then he can not retrieve it or even be the first to touch it; and an IW should go to the team with control.

No way this is a shot or a fumble. It's just a bad pass.
Snaq's I agree with you that it was purposefully released, after realizing he was about to be swatted, but a pass? to whom? Everyone on his team is crashing the boards.

If he jumps up to shoot and just drops the ball (intentionally) then what do you got? I don't have a fumble or a pass but a bad shot.

I guess that is why I agreed with the call. But I see your logic too.
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Snaq's I agree with you that it was purposefully released, after realizing he was about to be swatted, but a pass? to whom? Everyone on his team is crashing the boards.

If he jumps up to shoot and just drops the ball (intentionally) then what do you got? I don't have a fumble or a pass but a bad shot.

I guess that is why I agreed with the call. But I see your logic too.
It's not a try for goal, so I can't give him that. It's not a fumble, so I can't give him that. It's not a dribble. The only other option is a bad pass. He looks like he's hoping a teammate gets to it first.

If you consider this a shot, then you have to let him retrieve it. The case play is specific that this is not allowed.
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