NFHS closely guarded rule

Sharpshooternes

BillyMac wrote
Defensive player B1 is closely guarding, less than six feet, dribbler A1. A1 dribbles, shoulder to shoulder, past legal screener A2. B1 goes behind screener A2 and still maintains a distance of less than six feet from the dribbler A1. Defensive player B1 continues to closely guard, less than six feet, dribbler A1 on the other side of the screen.

In a NFHS high school game, does the official continue his closely guarded count throughout this play?

I say yes according to the case play but let me see your bet and raise you one. What if ball handler A1 is more than six feet from B1 but is screened by A2. B1 is still attempting to get through the screen but is less than 6 feet from A2. Does the count still continue.

Then add this. A1 gets head and shoulders past the screened defender on the way for a lay up because of the screen, but defender gets back in front before the lay up and 5 seconds has expired. What do you have then?

BillyMac

JetMetFan wrote
You had to bring up that one, didn't you? Since I read the case book play as I searched for the rule citation in my other post I'll exclude myself from answering.

9.10.1 SITUATION D: Team A, while in possession of the ball in its frontcourt:
(a) positions four players parallel with the sideline and they pass the ball from one
to another with their arms reaching beyond the sideline plane; or (b) has four
teammates surround dribbler A1. In both (a) and (b), the opponents are unable
to get close to the ball. RULING: This is considered to be a closely-guarded
situation and a violation in five seconds in both (a) and (b), if any B player is
within 6 feet of the ball or within 6 feet of the screening teammates and is
attempting to gain control of the ball. Preventing opponents from getting to the
ball by using screening teammates becomes a violation in five seconds if the
opponents are attempting to gain control.

BillyMac

JetMetFan wrote
You had to bring up that one, didn't you?

This was one of those controversial IAABO Refresher Exam questions a few years ago. Most of us said to continue the five second count. IAABO said no. Eventually IAABO told us that they had mixed up the NFHS interpretation with the NCAA interpretation.

Coach Bill

AllPurposeGamer wrote
That official should be smacked for screwing up such a basic rule.

Actually, he didn't get smacked. My player got smacked with a T for complaining that no one was even close to him. It was pretty comical because he was our point guard standing between the top of the key and half court re-setting the offense. This was an AAU game, using NFHS-rules, so I don't believe we had high school caliber refs.

Adam

Coach Bill wrote
Actually, he didn't get smacked. My player got smacked with a T for complaining that no one was even close to him. It was pretty comical because he was our point guard standing between the top of the key and half court re-setting the offense. This was an AAU game, using NFHS-rules, so I don't believe we had high school caliber refs.

So the official called the 5 second violation? Where was the defender?

Coach Bill

Snaqwells wrote
So the official called the 5 second violation? Where was the defender?

The free throw line.

Adam

Coach Bill wrote
The free throw line.

Wow.

letemplay

BillyMac wrote
4-10: A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her
team’s frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within six feet
of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. The distance shall be measured
from the forward foot/feet of the defender to the forward foot/feet of the ball
handler. A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in
control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.

Considering the last part of this rule, having the head and shoulders past the defensive player, would the offensive player need to be on a path TOWARDS the basket? Would moving in a lateral direction be enough to have the count dropped, provided the dribbler is by the defender?

BayStateRef

Coach Bill wrote
Regarding the closely guarded rule:

I know the defender has to remain within 6 feet to maintain the count, but I don't know the rule/case reference. Could someone please post it?

Rule 4-23-1.
"There is no minimum distance required between the guard and opponent, but the maximum is 6 feet when closely guarded."

Rule 9-10 proscribes the violation for holding or dribbling a ball "while closely guarded."

Raymond

BayStateRef wrote
Rule 4-23-1.
"There is no minimum distance required between the guard and opponent, but the maximum is 6 feet when closely guarded."

Rule 9-10 proscribes the violation for holding or dribbling a ball "while closely guarded."

If this were Real Housewives of Atlanta you would be "Tardy to the Party". 😛

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
If this were Real Housewives of Atlanta you would be "Tardy to the Party". :p

Turn in your man card at the front desk.

26 Year Gap

BadNewsRef wrote
If this were Real Housewives of Atlanta you would be "Tardy to the Party". :p

Snaqwells wrote
Turn in your man card at the front desk.

BayState back in the lead.

Welpe

BadNewsRef wrote
If this were Real Housewives of Atlanta you would be "Tardy to the Party". :p

My wife likes that show, too.

26 Year Gap

Welpe wrote
My wife likes that show, too.

Which is viewed while you are out officiating. Right? RIGHT? RIGHT?!?!?!?

That Guy

Welpe wrote
My wife likes that show, too.

You need to control her television time better.

bainsey

AllPurposeGamer wrote
That official should be smacked for screwing up such a basic rule.

Hey, we all learn sometime.

A few years ago, I had a five-second violation in a middle school boys' game. The coach was stunned, replying, "THAT was three feet?!"

I smiled, I informed, and he learned.

APG

bainsey wrote
Hey, we all learn sometime.

A few years ago, I had a five-second violation in a middle school boys' game. The coach was stunned, replying, "THAT was three feet?!"

I smiled, I informed, and he learned.

You're right...I was too harsh with that statement.

icallfouls

Coach Bill wrote
Actually, he didn't get smacked. My player got smacked with a T for complaining that no one was even close to him. It was pretty comical because he was our point guard standing between the top of the key and half court re-setting the offense. This was an AAU game, using NFHS-rules, so I don't believe we had high school caliber refs.

can you be more specific? the ft line to the top of the arc is only 3 feet and 3 feet beyond that is still between the half court line and the top of the arc, which is 6 feet, so it is possible to have a count

HawkeyeCubP

icallfouls wrote
the ft line to the top of the arc is only 3 feet...

You may want to re-check the ol' court diagram in any rule book. Or online. Or anywhere.

BillyMac

icallfouls wrote
The ft line to the top of the arc is only 3 feet and 3 feet beyond that is still between the half court line and the top of the arc, which is 6 feet.

HawkeyeCubP wrote
You may want to re-check the ol' court diagram in any rule book. Or online. Or anywhere.

Stupid metric system.