Travel much?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

The only ones that need to be called IMO are the ones where the defender is engaged with him and he fakes right while lifting his pivot (usually left) foot. That is a travel that gives him a very definite advantage.

Couple of things:

Violations, by rule, do not take advantage/disadvantage into account.

If he's not gaining an advantage, all the more reason he could stop doing it.

But if it's not called, he will never stop doing it, and neither will the multitudes of great high school players who see it on tv.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Violations, by rule, do not take advantage/disadvantage into account.

If he's not gaining an advantage, all the more reason he could stop doing it.

Doesn't mean it isn't used...easiest example is a three second violation. Almost no one here calls a three second violation the instant a player is in the lane for three seconds with team control and ball having frontcourt status....and you know what, they aren't expected to either.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Violations, by rule, do not take advantage/disadvantage into account.

just another ref; If this is a rule ("by rule") then please show me where it states that "Violations, by rule, do not take advantage/disadvantage into account."

THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE RULES
The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to create a
balance of play; to provide equal opportunity between the offense and the
defense; to provide equal opportunity between the small player and tall player; to
provide reasonable safety and protection; to create an atmosphere of sporting
behavior and fair play; and to emphasize cleverness and skill without unduly
limiting freedom of action of individual or team play on either offense or defense.
Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule.

Where does the NFHS say that advantage/disadvantage is to only to be utilized for fouls, and that advantage/disadvantage is not to be utilized for violations? The intent and purpose of the rules refers to "rules" and does not break it down into those rules involving fouls, and those rules involving violations. I will agree that advantage/disadvantage is usually applied to fouls, i.e inadvertent contact, however if we didn't use advantage/disadvantage for some violations, like three seconds, and ten seconds on free throws, then we'd be calling these violations a lot more than we actually do.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It seems there is an advantage gained on the first one. Rivers gets a chance to gain space from his defender and set himself up in a triple-threat position without dribbling the ball.

We say it - and hear it - a lot: if we make the calls, the kids will adjust. If they don't, their coaches will find someone who can adjust.

Disagree, he gains space only because defenders stays put, he's set up regardless for triple threat if he doesn't travel. Not worth discussing because both agree it's a travel. But, I'll bet you a shiny new quarter official shares my thinking(a bet that will never be settled).