Incorrect travel

[tref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So...you are going to use Grandma's advice when the crowd boos and moans, but not when a group of officials are on one accord? Interesting.

No... but I'd like to think I'm experienced enough to tell the difference between "boo he called a foul on us" & "boo WTf is that"
I'm hoping you do too

Originally Posted by tomegun

Do you always make decisions or form an opinion based on what everybody else in the gym saw? Using your thinking everybody in the gym should have a whistle since what they see is the correct ruling on plays. Right?

See above. I know, some people are born with it, others learn it, but there are many signs that just jump out at ya when something just aint right.

Originally Posted by tomegun

When read after everything else in this thread, I think this sounds kind of arrogant. Did you let him go use the bathroom at halftime?

No, but I did share with him how he could position adjust to get the A look on that particular play. I also shared with him how we shouldn't call travels based solely on the movement of feet
And when I completed that convo he was very open & thankful for the insight.

Originally Posted by tomegun

You may have did something right to get that championship, but if you have been perfect since then you should quit right now.

Nope wasnt perfect then & far from it now but I'm better than I was in '10.
Always striving for perfection but I'll settle for excellence.

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think you should have called travel in your first play. Some things should just be called. Keep things simple and this whole situation wouldn't have happened. Now, you could have been surprised and simply missed the jump ball.

How can one travel without HOLDING A LIVE BALL INBOUNDS. I think you should re-read the 1st play then holla back.

Originally Posted by tomegun

In the third play, you didn't answer a question from before: who was watching the other 7 players? Some things you shouldn't see. The fact that you see all of these plays makes me think you may be a ball watcher.

3rd repost:

Originally Posted by tref

Pressing transition situation remember? Sorry but I dont stand on the endline in ther f/c while all 10 players & my partners are in the backcourt. By the time the offense achieved f/c status I still was not on the endline as no players were below the 3 point line.

This play was on the opposite sideline & opened up to tableside. The entire bench & grandma in the 19th row could see the defenders hand on the inside of the ball pulling the offense forward into a travel. Instead of the T position adjusting by stepping up & onto the court he got stuck in the mud & called a travel.
Tea would definitely had to have been served up if WE didnt get this play right. And I hate whacking on top of incorrect calls!!!

Cant find the other post that says the T left 3 players 1 defender & 2 offensive players in the b/c. That’s what I was originally looking in that direction for & just happened to get luck & catch the held ball.
Reading is FUNdamental

Originally Posted by tomegun

Advancing doesn't always mean an official is the best official. Assignors do not know everything and sometimes choose championship officials based on social factors. Not saying that applies to you, but to simply say you have worked championships doesn't mean...

That's your opinion, you sir or anyone else are not gonna take that away from me. I got it because I earned it & in year 4 at that. I know that makes people sick but oh phuckin well... I plan on getting more too!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

No... but I'd like to think I'm experienced enough to tell the difference between "boo he called a foul on us" & "boo WTf is that"
I'm hoping you do too



See above. I know, some people are born with it, others learn it, but there are many signs that just jump out at ya when something just aint right.



No, but I did share with him how he could position adjust to get the A look on that particular play. I also shared with him how we shouldn't call travels based solely on the movement of feet
And when I completed that convo he was very open & thankful for the insight.



Nope wasnt perfect then & far from it now but I'm better than I was in '10.
Always striving for perfection but I'll settle for excellence.



How can one travel without HOLDING A LIVE BALL INBOUNDS. I think you should re-read the 1st play then holla back.



3rd repost:


Cant find the other post that says the T left 3 players 1 defender & 2 offensive players in the b/c. That’s what I was originally looking in that direction for & just happened to get luck & catch the held ball.
Reading is FUNdamental



That's your opinion, you sir or anyone else are not gonna take that away from me. I got it because I earned it & in year 4 at that. I know that makes people sick but oh phuckin well... I plan on getting more too!

Where is Jurassic when we need him!

[tref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Where is Jurassic when we need him!

Be a man & do it yourself!
Dont be a U2 looking for an R to do your dirty work...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Where is Jurassic when we need him!

You're assuming we need him.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You're assuming we need him.

I think he'd put mr smarty pants in his place.

Jurassic was always the voice of reason to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

...
That's your opinion, you sir or anyone else are not gonna take that away from me. I got it because I earned it & in year 4 at that. I know that makes people sick but oh phuckin well... I plan on getting more too!

Which people is that?

tref, I'm quite sure on the court you and I are very similar in how we call and see plays and what deem is or isn't important in managing a game. And off the court I'm pretty confident you and I probably are a lot alike also.

But when it comes to discussing officiating, you exude complete arrogance. You talk as if every time you learn something new and latch on to it that you are Moses returning from the mountain with a new commandment for the masses to adhere to. And if we question it or disagreed with its validity then there is something wrong with us and we'll be stuck building pyramids for the rest of our existence. Nevermind that we might have heard these "commandants" before or that they are just re-packaged "commandments" with the words moved around or they may not apply to how we are expected to officiate in our venues.

There is more than one way to get to the top. People have risen faster than you without the teachings you have received and people have faltered while receiving the exact same teachings that you receive.

[tref]

BNR & rocky, you guys are right!
I'll make the necessary adjustments effective immediately.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

BNR & rocky, you guys are right!
I'll make the necessary adjustments effective immediately.

And tref, I'm not bashing you. I'm just being straight like I would expect from anybody to be with me. Honestly I would hate for you to one day hit a road block or regress, not because you weren't talented enough, but because you rubbed somebody the wrong one way. And often that person is not the one making the decision, but someone the decision-maker trusts and includes in his inner circle. There is a guy here who is reminds me a lot of you. Very talented, on the "radar", has been to D-League camp. Gets plays right and is fun to be around when the fellas are bullsh!tting. But man, he lets that "I wanna be a pro official" attitude seep out a lot, and it's noticeable, both on the court and when we are talking basketball in the locker room. You never know who the guy next to you knows.

My bucket list doesn't include the NBA or D-League or the D1 Final Four, but I do have a "list" of 8 things (5 of which I can cross off), and I know on a few occasions I've rub some folks the wrong way and I have been fortunate that I have had people close to me who have pulled me aside to let me know.

[tref]

and I appreciate you for that sir!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tref

BNR & rocky, you guys are right!
I'll make the necessary adjustments effective immediately.

Right? Maybe...what I do know is this:

You are me a "few" years ago. I cost myself the opportunity to move to "the next level" because I didn't know when to shut the hell up.

If I can help someone else not make that same mistake, I will try to do that.

[tref]

Less is more, right. Sorry to hear about your mishap but thank you for being man enough to show me where improvement is needed in my communication!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

There is Mark, me (Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., aka MTD, Sr.) and Mark Padgett and everybody addresses as Mark or Padgett when talking to or about Padgett, and when taking to about me, I am addessed as Mark, MTD, Sr., Mark, Sr. (there is a Mark, Jr./MTD, Jr./Junior/Mark that officiates with me and who more often than not has to carry my broken down old tuchus up and down the basketball court, and always takes the Plate when we umpire togehter), "bald old geezer", or "senile bald old geezer".

This school year is my 41st year as a boys'/girls' H.S. (includes Jr. H.S.) basketball official; I started with the 1971-72 school year. I officiated women's college basketball from the 1974 to 2008, and men's college basketball from 1993 to 2008. I was a USA Basketball (that's FIBA Rules) from 1993 to 2003.

I was the first male to officiate women's college basketball in the state of Florida and one of the first to officiate women's college basketball in the Southeast USA, back before you were a twinkle in your old man's eye. I have officiated over 20 Div. I and over 20 jr. coll. women's playoff games. I have officiated over 40 AAU and YBOA Boys' and Girls' National Championship Tournaments including three YBOA Girls' National Championship Games.

I was on the 1999 Officiating Staff for the Special Olympics World Summer Games. And in March I will officiate in my 21st Ohio Special Olympics State Final Four.

Those are my accomplishments on the court. And I have even brought up my friend (and peers) that I have made along the way and what I have tried to give back to the profession off of the court.

When I first started officiating I never thought about where I would end as a basketball official and I never would have dreamed that I would have done what I have done. But I know that I am lucky to have accomplished what I have, because such a small percentage ever get to do what I have done.

So yes, I do get to take a few whacks at your when I read such nonsense. Remember, I am a bald old geezer, and I can get pretty cranky when I get riled up.

MTD, Sr.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

There is Mark, me (Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., aka MTD, Sr.) and Mark Padgett and everybody addresses as Mark or Padgett when talking to or about Padgett, and when taking to about me, I am addessed as Mark, MTD, Sr., Mark, Sr. (there is a Mark, Jr./MTD, Jr./Junior/Mark that officiates with me and who more often than not has to carry my broken down old tuchus up and down the basketball court, and always takes the Plate when we umpire togehter), "bald old geezer", or "senile bald old geezer".

This school year is my 41st year as a boys'/girls' H.S. (includes Jr. H.S.) basketball official; I started with the 1971-72 school year. I officiated women's college basketball from the 1974 to 2008, and men's college basketball from 1993 to 2008. I was a USA Basketball (that's FIBA Rules) from 1993 to 2003.

I was the first male to officiate women's college basketball in the state of Florida and one of the first to officiate women's college basketball in the Southeast USA, back before you were a twinkle in your old man's eye. I have officiated over 20 Div. I and over 20 jr. coll. women's playoff games. I have officiated over 40 AAU and YBOA Boys' and Girls' National Championship Tournaments including three YBOA Girls' National Championship Games.

I was on the 1999 Officiating Staff for the Special Olympics World Summer Games. And in March I will officiate in my 21st Ohio Special Olympics State Final Four.

Those are my accomplishments on the court. And I have even brought up my friend (and peers) that I have made along the way and what I have tried to give back to the profession off of the court.

When I first started officiating I never thought about where I would end as a basketball official and I never would have dreamed that I would have done what I have done. But I know that I am lucky to have accomplished what I have, because such a small percentage ever get to do what I have done.

So yes, I do get to take a few whacks at your when I read such nonsense. Remember, I am a bald old geezer, and I can get pretty cranky when I get riled up.

MTD, Sr.

Hey I'll be a man about it. I'm sorry MTD, Sr. I confused you with Padgett. Wont happen again & nice resume btw!! I'd be quite fortunate to achive 1/4th of what you have.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which people is that?

tref, I'm quite sure on the court you and I are very similar in how we call and see plays and what deem is or isn't important in managing a game. And off the court I'm pretty confident you and I probably are a lot alike also.

But when it comes to discussing officiating, you exude complete arrogance. You talk as if every time you learn something new and latch on to it that you are Moses returning from the mountain with a new commandment for the masses to adhere to. And if we question it or disagreed with its validity then there is something wrong with us and we'll be stuck building pyramids for the rest of our existence. Nevermind that we might have heard these "commandants" before or that they are just re-packaged "commandments" with the words moved around or they may not apply to how we are expected to officiate in our venues.

Yeah, THAT...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

And when I completed that convo he was very open & thankful for the insight.

Editor's note - what is really meant by this sentence is: "And when I completed that convo, instead of rolling his eyes, he pretended to be interested and thankful. He realized he was working with "that guy", and decided to just get through it.

I worked with you a couple of weeks ago. Not YOU you... but you nonetheless. Every association has a "you". Every call on the field/court/gridiron is YOURS - the rest of your crew are just there to assist you and learn from your insight. The worst part is that "you" always leave a game thinking that you've taught your underlings and they thank their lucky stars they've had the opportunity, not realizing that they are leaving the game thinking, "Man, what a tool. I must ask my assignor not to put me with that guy again."