The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:24pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
?? How?
Ball rolling around the rim....it is not technically in flight at that point.

Or could he be talking about a player who is fouled, while still holding the ball after starting the try (continuous motion), but before the horn such that they are still holding the ball at the time the buzzer sounds.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association

Last edited by Camron Rust; Sat Feb 25, 2012 at 01:27pm.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:46pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
Ball rolling around the rim....it is not technically in flight at that point.

Or could he be talking about a player who is fouled, while still holding the ball after starting the try (continuous motion), but before the horn such that they are still holding the ball at the time the buzzer sounds.
Ok, but the ball is dead at the horn. The period may not be, but that's not relevant to the OP. (That's what threw me off.)
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 32
So basically, since the T occurred after the period ended, the free throws start the next period. If the T had occurred before time expired, even if the timer couldn't get the clock stopped in time before the horn went, the free throws should happen immediately. Yes?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:46pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdudik View Post
So basically, since the T occurred after the period ended, the free throws start the next period. If the T had occurred before time expired, even if the timer couldn't get the clock stopped in time before the horn went, the free throws should happen immediately. Yes?
Yes, and then the arrow would start the 3rd quarter
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 21, 2013, 11:40am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 546
I see this is an old post, but I had a similar situation (with one notable difference) come up the other day.

This happened between 3rd/4th quarter, but like the OP, we basically had a shot as time expired followed by an unsporting T. The difference is that we had a foul on the shooter instead of a made basket. Then, an unsporting T.

My partner and I administered both the shooting foul and the technical foul free throws in the 3rd quarter, and then went to the AP to start the 4th.

Our thinking was that the quarter had not ended because we still had free throws to administer. The case play referenced in this thread did not apply because the technical had not occurred "after the ball was dead to end the quarter" - it would be dead to end the quarter following the last free throw.

Further, (based on Rule 5.6.2) we considered the Technical to be "related activity" that had to be penalized and completed before the quarter officially ended. Since no part of any penalty carries over, we started the 4th quarter with the AP throw in.

Curious whether others agree with how we administered this.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:04pm
(Something hilarious)
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: These United States
Posts: 1,162
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul View Post
I see this is an old post, but I had a similar situation (with one notable difference) come up the other day.

This happened between 3rd/4th quarter, but like the OP, we basically had a shot as time expired followed by an unsporting T. The difference is that we had a foul on the shooter instead of a made basket. Then, an unsporting T.

My partner and I administered both the shooting foul and the technical foul free throws in the 3rd quarter, and then went to the AP to start the 4th.

Our thinking was that the quarter had not ended because we still had free throws to administer. The case play referenced in this thread did not apply because the technical had not occurred "after the ball was dead to end the quarter" - it would be dead to end the quarter following the last free throw.

Further, (based on Rule 5.6.2) we considered the Technical to be "related activity" that had to be penalized and completed before the quarter officially ended. Since no part of any penalty carries over, we started the 4th quarter with the AP throw in.

Curious whether others agree with how we administered this.
I agree with how you administered this. The ball hasn't become dead for the last time after time has expired in the period until the last FT has ended for the foul that was part of the period.
__________________
I can't remember the last time I wasn't at least kind-of tired.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 21, 2013, 11:52am
NFHS Official
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,734
I'm shooting the free throws after the halftime, and team A gets the ball at the half court for the throw in.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:32pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKREF View Post
I'm shooting the free throws after the halftime, and team A gets the ball at the half court for the throw in.
In HokiePaul's situation, the T is called prior to the end of the 2nd quarter. Penalties do not carry over, so you'd start the 3rd quarter with the AP.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:50pm
Archaic Power Monger
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
In HokiePaul's situation, the T is called prior to the end of the 2nd quarter. Penalties do not carry over, so you'd start the 3rd quarter with the AP.
I think OKREF is talking about the OP since he mentions half-time. HokiePaul's situation happened at the end of the 3rd Q.
__________________
Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
unsporting foul ref83 Basketball 8 Tue Nov 09, 2010 01:03pm
170 - 35 (100-12 at half)...Starters start 2nd Half CMHCoachNRef Basketball 52 Mon Jan 11, 2010 09:47am
Unsporting Foul Example Rufus Basketball 9 Fri Dec 12, 2008 03:47pm
Is Flagrant T unsporting? Bart Tyson Basketball 7 Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:24am
Unsporting or Administrative "T" Smoothieking Basketball 12 Tue Jan 06, 2004 04:18pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1