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[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In my opinion, if A1 was going to go through B1 anyways, this is still a PC foul.

But A1 didn't go through B1. B1 changed his position while A1 was airborne and put A1 at a disadvantage.

[Zoochy]

B1 and A1 are running in the same direction and same path. B1 is ahead of and moving away from A1. A1 is running/dribbling faster. Now A1 jumps for a lay-up, shoots and proceeds to land on B1.
I saw this play on Monday. Did B1 do anything wrong?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But A1 didn't go through B1. B1 changed his position while A1 was airborne and put A1 at a disadvantage.

Maybe, if A1 would have jumped OVER B1, but I don't see too many players capable of this.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But A1 didn't go through B1.

We're picturing the play differently then.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

We've had this exact conversation pretty recently, and I will repeat my minority opinion. Regardless of whether B1 has LGP before A1 becomes airborne, once A1 becomes airborne, if B1 moves to a new position, B1 is responsible for any contact.

There is no way I'm allowing any player to move into an airborne player's landing spot AFTER that player becomes airborne.

OK, now I am back to where I was at before...you have unconvinced me.

Stupid groupthink.

Stupid old age.

Stupid M&M Guy.

[Welpe]

Remember, by rule, falling away to absorb contact does not remove LGP from a player that had initially established it.

Rocky come back to the dark side...we have cookies. And groupthink on tap.

[Adam]

What exactly, by rule, has the defender done to lose LGP? Move backwards?

[Art N]

Originally Posted by allpurposegamer

nfhs rules specifically state that every player is entitled to a space on the floor provided they get there legally. However unlikely, if a defender gets to a spot on while on the floor, first and legally, then by rule if a player is to land on him, it wouldn't be a block. This is different than the ncaa rule if i recall correctly.

+1

[Art N]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

NFHS rules specifically state that every player is entitled to a space on the floor provided they get there legally. However unlikely, if a defender gets to a spot on while on the floor, first and legally, then by rule if a player is to land on him, it wouldn't be a block. This is different than the NCAA rule if I recall correctly.

Originally Posted by Duffman

Once a player establishes LgP they don't have to maintain it to take a charge. However a player cannot have LGP while on the floor. If a player falls to the floor with no contact and the airborne shooter lands on him I'm calling a block all day long.

Duff, I would respectfully submit that you would be incorrect all day long making that call!

[Art N]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But A1 didn't go through B1. B1 changed his position while A1 was airborne and put A1 at a disadvantage.

What? How did you come up with this conclusion? B1 avoids initial contact and now somehow is to blame for A1 landing on her?????? How come you are not placing any responsibility on A1 for going airborne when she wouldn't have had any place to land.

So if you swing at me and I duck and you hit the wall behind me, it would be my fault right, because I didn't stay in front of the potential violent contact?
I know it is NOT the same thing, but you get the gist of it.

[Art N]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

We've had this exact conversation pretty recently, and I will repeat my minority opinion. Regardless of whether B1 has LGP before A1 becomes airborne, once A1 becomes airborne, if B1 moves to a new position, B1 is responsible for any contact.

There is no way I'm allowing any player to move into an airborne player's landing spot AFTER that player becomes airborne.

B1 has not moved into a new space under airborne A1. She was already THERE in A1's path to the hoop! B1 falling down (i.e she falls straight back) doesn't make her go under A1. Look at it more like A1 is OVER her whether she stands up or falls! Bottom line for me: Would A1 have crashed into B1 if she was standing up? If so, how in the world are you going to fault a player for getting out of the way of train wreck?

[Art N]

[QUOTE=Scrapper1;826506]We've had this exact conversation pretty recently, and I will repeat my minority opinion.


hmmm, maybe that should have been an eye opener for you!

[Raymond]

I think what we are getting at is the spirit and intent of LGP as it relates to airborne shooters.

I personally don't think the powers-that-be intended for us to call PC/Charging when a defender purposely falls down without contact and the airborne shooter lands on them. And I don't think that what coaches want either.

[Adam]

Then they should change the rule, or issue a power point.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Then they should change the rule, or issue a power point.

Only after taking a poll and posting a questionaire.