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Zoochy Flop Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:09pm

Indianaref Don't bend the rules. ... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:12pm

Welpe This particular scenario is a... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:19pm

JRutledge Where does it say to warn? ;)... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:37pm

Welpe Rule 11. :) Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:46pm

JRutledge I thought so. :D Peace Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:44pm

Splute Thats the one the added when... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:06pm

berserkBBK I agree. I especially hate... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:54pm

JetMetFan Agreed. You can't call a... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:25pm

just another ref Where was B1 before the flop?... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:38pm

JetMetFan My initial comment was based... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:52pm

just another ref Actually, it kinda is. ... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:59pm

rockyroad Ok, whoa...hold on a minute.... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:07pm

JetMetFan Rocky, that's essentially... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:41pm

Art N I am not sure of what we are... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:58pm

rockyroad I don't know that I was... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:29pm

just another ref B3 has LGP. A1 comes... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:06pm

Art N Thanks. That is what I was... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 07:38pm

Camron Rust Your options are mutually... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:21pm

rockyroad This is how I was picturing... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 07:39pm

M&M Guy Geeze, you're getting easier... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:15pm

Duffman Once a player establishes LgP... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:54pm

APG NFHS rules specifically state... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:08pm

Art N +1 Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:28am

Adam Please read the rules. This... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:21pm

Art N Duff, I would respectfully... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:31am

Adam Groupthink works! Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:26pm

Scrapper1 We've had this exact... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:25am

Raymond Was about to post the same... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:33am

Welpe Maybe we're picturing this... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:37am

Welpe So if B1 simply delays the... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:33am

Scrapper1 But A1 didn't go through B1. ... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:42am

Adam Maybe, if A1 would have... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:47am

Welpe We're picturing the play... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:47am

Art N What? How did you come up... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:39am

Raymond I think what we are getting... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:54am

Adam Then they should change the... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:56am

Raymond Only after taking a poll and... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:58am

Welpe Or maybe issue a... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:58am

Zoochy B1 and A1 are running in the... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:42am

Art N HTBT. One of them was moving... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:04am

Adam He didn't say parallel. He... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:08am

rockyroad OK, now I am back to where I... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:12am

Welpe Remember, by rule, falling... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:13am

Adam What exactly, by rule, has... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:17am

rockyroad But they aren't falling away... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:07am

Welpe I see what you're saying. I... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:10am

Art N B1 has not moved into a new... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:46am

Art N [QUOTE=Scrapper1;826506]We've... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:52am

M&M Guy While I'm all for "majority... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:36am

Welpe Good breakdown M&M, I can get... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:40am

Adam I think you're reading way... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:49am

Adam What happens, if instead of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:51am

Art N Snags, You beat me to it.... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:04pm

M&M Guy Ok, maybe we're not that far... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:45pm

Adam One rule obviously doesn't... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:50pm

M&M Guy The points regarding... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:01pm

Rich I agree with you and with... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:03pm

M&M Guy The cookies in our group are... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:13pm

Art N [QUOTE=M&M Guy;826587]While... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:02pm

Scrapper1 Block. Once a player is... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:16pm

Adam Once LGP is established, a... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:18pm

Scrapper1 I'm saying that in order for... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:20pm

Adam I want to make sure we're... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:23pm

Scrapper1 You don't have to picture... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:29pm

Art N Not true. I can back up and... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:37pm

Scrapper1 You keep saying this same... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:56pm

Adam It doesn't say that. Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:01pm

Scrapper1 It doesn't use that... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:32pm

Adam The rule says the player must... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:38pm

Art N Right on Snags! :D Legal... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:46pm

M&M Guy Don't fall into the trap of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:04pm

just another ref Correct. And if B1 takes a... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:27pm

Art N When guarding an airborne... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:41pm

Camron Rust No you don't. You have to be... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:43pm

M&M Guy While correct in terms of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:49pm

Art N you beat me to it Cam. :cool:... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:49pm

rockyroad From the casebook: ... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:57pm

Art N The plays above are slightly... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:13pm

rockyroad OK, now I honestly believe... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:20pm

M&M Guy It doesn't specifically... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:22pm

Art N Sorry the car reference...I'm... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:29pm

M&M Guy Again, I've mentioned it... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:44pm

Camron Rust Or it tells you the writer of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:01pm

M&M Guy Hmmm...sounds like before or... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:32pm

Camron Rust For the timing yes, but the... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:22pm

M&M Guy Um, how else would there be... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:43pm

Camron Rust The comment about the writing... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:41pm

M&M Guy What do you mean, my... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:13pm

just another ref 4-23-3 deals with what one... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:20pm

M&M Guy That's exactly where we... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:45am

rockyroad Excellent! Your new batch of... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:17am

M&M Guy Well, crap, I may never be... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:26am

Duffman Snaq, I understand your... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:19am

just another ref It is possible to have a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:59pm

M&M Guy Don't confuse the difference... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:29pm

Camron Rust Already done...go back and... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:02am

Scrapper1 Yet here --... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:25am

Welpe OK forget falling away and... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:35am

M&M Guy The contact doesn't have to... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:44am

Welpe That I can see but I'm having... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:03pm

M&M Guy Don't get too hung up on... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:16pm

Welpe I see your point but the... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:20pm

M&M Guy It seems the only intent of... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:35pm

Welpe So what if he had one in the... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:40pm

M&M Guy Don't do that, it's not good... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:47pm

Welpe Heh, I bit right through a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:52pm

Scrapper1 You have to stop thinking... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:06pm

Rich It could easily be a no call. Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:44am

Camron Rust Except that B1 ALREADY had a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:24pm

M&M Guy But the case play you quoted... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:42pm

Welpe OK giving this caseplay a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:51pm

just another ref Yes. Thank you. Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:03pm

M&M Guy Again, the wording of the... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:10pm

Welpe But you're excluding one... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:22pm

M&M Guy As above, I'm not ignoring... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:50pm

rockyroad This is what decided it for... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:54pm

M&M Guy Exactly, no mention of moving... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:00pm

Welpe So if the two plays are... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:07pm

M&M Guy Both case plays involve 4... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:19pm

Welpe What do you think then is the... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:28pm

rockyroad Shouldn't that be "pulverized... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:35pm

Welpe Yes, we agree! Have any... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:36pm

rockyroad Nope...sent them all to that... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:38pm

M&M Guy Depends on the type of... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:50pm

M&M Guy I agree the wording may not... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:48pm

Welpe So it seems. Maybe the NFHS... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:52pm

rockyroad Oh no way... I didn't send... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:15pm

just another ref To summarize: B1 is jogging... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:16pm

Raymond It has happened to all of us.... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:41pm

M&M Guy Nope, it doesn't have to be a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:53pm

Welpe I haven't but I'm not work at... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:59pm

Scrapper1 May I please just take a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:03pm

M&M Guy Yes you may. Now, shut up.... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:07pm

Welpe Scrappy gets an agitator... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:29pm

Camron Rust One fundamental point....if... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:30pm

M&M Guy Not necessarily, and you know... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:14pm

Camron Rust Yes, they do prohibit such... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:27pm

M&M Guy ...sigh...Please quote me... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:32pm

Camron Rust Why do you want me to site... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:22am

M&M Guy C'mon Camron, now you're... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:31am

Art N ok, I'm jumping back... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:30pm

M&M Guy Art - appreciate your... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:10pm

Adam To further beat this horse: ... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:50am

M&M Guy See below: :) Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:55am

Adam Very well, then.... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:58am

M&M Guy Ok then. ... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:05pm

Adam I almost went that route, but... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:06pm

Welpe Wait is somebody getting rid... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:07pm

Adam Nope, different arrow... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:08pm

Welpe Ah must have missed that one.... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:09pm

Adam Since M&M has already posted... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:14pm

Welpe Got it. I say get rid of... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:16pm

Raymond Blarges? :D Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:37pm

Art N I'm with you brother! Great... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:41pm

just another ref Actually, it is what the rule... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:29pm

M&M Guy A dribbler and an airborne... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:40pm

just another ref poppycock So, word of... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:02pm

rockyroad Double poppycock. What has... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:20pm

just another ref I agree. That's the whole... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:30pm

M&M Guy Well, if that's your best... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:24pm

just another ref This is the key. A legal... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:32pm

M&M Guy If you want to be that... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:47pm

Adam Do we really want to... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:33pm

M&M Guy Had to take one more swing,... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:34pm

just another ref B1 has legal position... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:42pm

M&M Guy Valid opinion. And that's... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:49pm

Sharpshooternes I am with just another ref on... Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:21am

just another ref too late:D Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:42pm

M&M Guy Geeze, you got that right! :D Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:50pm

just another ref To be precise, a and the are... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:20pm

rockyroad 10.6.1 Situation A is a... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:09pm

Camron Rust That is NOT the only... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:11pm

M&M Guy In that particular example,... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:32pm

Adam It doesn't say "if B1 moves... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:35pm

Scrapper1 There is no difference. He... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:08pm

Welpe The caseplay does not say IN... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:09pm

Scrapper1 I know, but Camron said "in... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:10pm

Camron Rust Be "in the path" vs. move... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:13pm

Scrapper1 Without trying to sound... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:06pm

Raymond I will repeat that that I do... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:16pm

Welpe Wait, A1 is contacting B1... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:21pm

Scrapper1 Why????:confused: Why would... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:23pm

Welpe Relax Scrappy. Because to me... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:29pm

Raymond Let's stick to the play. ... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:41pm

Welpe That is not the impression I... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:45pm

Raymond I'm going off this response... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:48pm

Welpe I see, that still isn't clear... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:51pm

M&M Guy Have you tried the new Dark... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:01pm

rockyroad If B1 is still falling back,... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:46pm

Camron Rust Just how do you contact... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:39pm

Raymond Once your laying on the floor... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:22am

Rich I whacked a kid last year who... Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:30am

Scrapper1 This is where we disagree, as... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:50pm

Art N You are partially correct in... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:02pm

Scrapper1 I know that I have a rule... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:08pm

Art N Point taken. ;) I don't... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:18pm

M&M Guy Where is the direction of B1... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:08pm

Adam And you're saying that LGP... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:38pm

Art N I agree with you, I think... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:46pm

Art N [QUOTE=Scrapper1;826616]Block.... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:31pm

Adam Slightly different play... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:49pm

Adam So what's your ruling? Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:18pm

M&M Guy As described, block. If I... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:27pm

ga314ref +1 Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:10pm

Adam What Camron said? That! Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:21pm

just another ref I'm thinking that some of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:49pm

M&M Guy No cookies for you! (Billy... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:14pm

Welpe I have a Rick Roll queued up. Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:19pm

Adam I am this close to... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:41pm

M&M Guy Isn't there a statute of... Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:55pm

JugglingReferee I'd've passed on any foul. ... Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:53pm

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