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You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.
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You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.
I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 02:09pm
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I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

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Make sure you vote. I would love to have it changed back. I am very surprised that it made the survey.
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Make sure you vote. I would love to have it changed back. I am very surprised that it made the survey.
I did already. Still do not think the people on the committee will understand why this is a problem. Still too many non-officials making decisions (I do not care what someone says or brings up one guy that officiated 20 years ago as an example).

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I did already. Still do not think the people on the committee will understand why this is a problem. Still too many non-officials making decisions (I do not care what someone says or brings up one guy that officiated 20 years ago as an example).

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I try to look over when I anticipate that a request might be made. But, if I am trail tableside and am refereeing a tight matchup in the forecourt by Team A's bench, I may not recognize that coach B is requesting a timeout. Your point is well taken. As a player, I had to request a timeout if my coach wanted one. Players recognize their coaches' voices from getting yelled at in practice. A coach getting worked up at us because we do not hear him or see him right away because we are focused on the players does not need to happen. Shifting the responsibility to his players would diffuse those moments. At least, for us!
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I try to look over when I anticipate that a request might be made. But, if I am trail tableside and am refereeing a tight matchup in the forecourt by Team A's bench, I may not recognize that coach B is requesting a timeout. Your point is well taken. As a player, I had to request a timeout if my coach wanted one. Players recognize their coaches' voices from getting yelled at in practice. A coach getting worked up at us because we do not hear him or see him right away because we are focused on the players does not need to happen. Shifting the responsibility to his players would diffuse those moments. At least, for us!
I have had about 3 incidents this year over this. One coach accused me of "refusing to grant the time out." Not the fact that he barely raised his voice and the other fact that he was sitting down (as a result of a uniform T BTW). But somehow it was my fault that he talked very low in a loud gym. Granted I was standing next to him, but did not hear his words or know he wanted a timeout at all. I had another guy get upset when his player was in trouble and could not understand why we did not grant a timeout when no possession by his player was clear. Coaches are too stupid to inform their players to ask for the request when the coaches yells. We are not paying attention to them and to put that burden on us is silly. This is why if coaches read anything that we did they would do a better job to get our attention or get over it when we do not hear their request.

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I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.

I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

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I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.

I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

My vote, I'm sure, will be completely ignored.
I voted the exact same way except for quarters vs. halves.
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I voted the exact same way except for quarters vs. halves.
I like four periods. Our prep school games are in halves, and I miss the break at the eight minute mark to regroup, and to possibly have a short meeting with my partner to go over some things that we have noticed, and may need to address in next eight minutes.
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I like four periods. Our prep school games are in halves, and I miss the break at the eight minute mark to regroup, and to possibly have a short meeting with my partner to go over some things that we have noticed, and may need to address in next eight minutes.

Officials who want to keep the game played in quarters because they like the break to regroup (and to suck on the oxygen tank that the EMT has at the end of the bench) are old geezer. Wait, I resemble that remark. LOL

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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:27pm
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I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.
I officiated pre-coaching request too and I never saw a single problem arise with a player calling for a timeout. Not a single time. And usually the coach had to get the player's attention which got out attention. Instead now they just assume we hear them unlike they did before. And when players ask for timeouts now, at least we are looking at them.

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I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

My vote, I'm sure, will be completely ignored.
I voted the same way on the rest of these. The only concern I have with a shot clock is we have a hard enough time getting good lower level college people. I would think it would be hard to find people in HS games to do the same without screwing up often. But I would be OK if they brought it in.

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