NFHS survey questionnaire

[SNIPERBBB]

4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

Odds of this coming back?

[fortmoney]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

Odds of this coming back?

I hope so. Waiting until it hits the rim really gives no advantage to the players on the lower block. The middle (offensive players) seem to have the same chance to get the rebound

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

Odds of this coming back?

The fact that this question is on the survey means we, as officials, are not doing our job of enforcing the rule. This was the reason that the NCAA and NFHS adopted the rule allowing the players to enter on the release a long long time ago.

The NFHS went back to the old rule because the new rule was causing rough play and we were to call fouls during rebounding action just like we would during rebounding action during FG attempts.

MTD, Sr.

[26 Year Gap]

You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.

I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

Peace

Make sure you vote. I would love to have it changed back. I am very surprised that it made the survey.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Make sure you vote. I would love to have it changed back. I am very surprised that it made the survey.

I did already. Still do not think the people on the committee will understand why this is a problem. Still too many non-officials making decisions (I do not care what someone says or brings up one guy that officiated 20 years ago as an example).

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did already. Still do not think the people on the committee will understand why this is a problem. Still too many non-officials making decisions (I do not care what someone says or brings up one guy that officiated 20 years ago as an example).

Peace

I try to look over when I anticipate that a request might be made. But, if I am trail tableside and am refereeing a tight matchup in the forecourt by Team A's bench, I may not recognize that coach B is requesting a timeout. Your point is well taken. As a player, I had to request a timeout if my coach wanted one. Players recognize their coaches' voices from getting yelled at in practice. A coach getting worked up at us because we do not hear him or see him right away because we are focused on the players does not need to happen. Shifting the responsibility to his players would diffuse those moments. At least, for us!

[Rich]

I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.

I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

My vote, I'm sure, will be completely ignored.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.

I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

My vote, I'm sure, will be completely ignored.

I voted the exact same way except for quarters vs. halves.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I voted to keep the timeouts exactly as they are. While I can't stand coaches who meekly request a timeout and then get upset when we may have something better going on, allowing only the players to request during a live ball would be even worse, IMO. I lived through that reality for a number of years before moving to what we have now.

I officiated pre-coaching request too and I never saw a single problem arise with a player calling for a timeout. Not a single time. And usually the coach had to get the player's attention which got out attention. Instead now they just assume we hear them unlike they did before. And when players ask for timeouts now, at least we are looking at them.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I would like to see the free throw restrictions end for all in the marked lane spaces at the release. Most rebounding now is based on which way the ball bounces out rather than on getting proper position and boxing out. And players have been pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with since the change. I work about a dozen college games a season, and I see no problems with how those games go -- if someone fouls during a rebound or trying to get position, CALL THE FOUL.

I'd like to see halves rather than quarters (I'd even move to 18 minute halves like MN and give an automatic timeout at the first stoppage under 10 per half) and would like to see the NFHS move to a shot clock (with the 5 year grandfathering provision).

My vote, I'm sure, will be completely ignored.

I voted the same way on the rest of these. The only concern I have with a shot clock is we have a hard enough time getting good lower level college people. I would think it would be hard to find people in HS games to do the same without screwing up often. But I would be OK if they brought it in.

Peace

[Adam]

Shooters seem more likely to get rebounds now, I'd like to see the lane restrictions end on the release.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Shooters seem more likely to get rebounds now, I'd like to see the lane restrictions end on the release.

Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.

[APG]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.

Good ole peripheral vision

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.

It is really not any different than watching for it to hit the rim and watching the players. When player can enter on the release, you no longer care about the rim and can shift your focus a little more towards the shooter....maybe taking a slight closer position.