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Old Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:12pm
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4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

Odds of this coming back?
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Old Sat Feb 11, 2012, 09:20pm
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4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

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I hope so. Waiting until it hits the rim really gives no advantage to the players on the lower block. The middle (offensive players) seem to have the same chance to get the rebound
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4. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (currently players are restricted until the ball hits the rim).

Odds of this coming back?

The fact that this question is on the survey means we, as officials, are not doing our job of enforcing the rule. This was the reason that the NCAA and NFHS adopted the rule allowing the players to enter on the release a long long time ago.

The NFHS went back to the old rule because the new rule was causing rough play and we were to call fouls during rebounding action just like we would during rebounding action during FG attempts.

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You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.
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You'll notice that the coaches calling for a TO only during a dead ball is back. I hope the coaches are not stuffing the ballot box.
I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

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I seriously hope this rule is changed back. This has been the cause of many unnecessary conflict because if we do not hear them they assume it is our fault. I seriously hope this is changed next year. I am not counting on it, but it is a necessary change for sure.

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Make sure you vote. I would love to have it changed back. I am very surprised that it made the survey.
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Shooters seem more likely to get rebounds now, I'd like to see the lane restrictions end on the release.
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Shooters seem more likely to get rebounds now, I'd like to see the lane restrictions end on the release.
Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.
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Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.
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Both of my stints as an official have been leaving when it hits the rim. Not sure how, as lead, I would be easily able to see the shooter's release since I am focusing on the players across from me with the rim in sight. (Along with the player in the first lane space closest to me, of course). If that change is made, I will surely be coming here for advice.
It is really not any different than watching for it to hit the rim and watching the players. When player can enter on the release, you no longer care about the rim and can shift your focus a little more towards the shooter....maybe taking a slight closer position.
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Old Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:55pm
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Shooters seem more likely to get rebounds now, I'd like to see the lane restrictions end on the release.
I have mixed feelings on this. The rule is definitely not being enforced as it should. NFHS either needs to make this a serious POE or move on and change it. IMHO.
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I have mixed feelings on this. The rule is definitely not being enforced as it should. NFHS either needs to make this a serious POE or move on and change it. IMHO.
NFHS has made it a POE in the past. The reality of the situation is NFHS has no power to make sure this is enforced. The only thing they can do is change the rule. Just like when they changed the leaving the court for an unauthorized reason (or was it excessive swinging of the elbows?) from a T to a violation because officials weren't calling it.
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The fact that this question is on the survey means we, as officials, are not doing our job of enforcing the rule. This was the reason that the NCAA and NFHS adopted the rule allowing the players to enter on the release a long long time ago.

The NFHS went back to the old rule because the new rule was causing rough play and we were to call fouls during rebounding action just like we would during rebounding action during FG attempts.

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I have NEVER understood why a 15 foot shot from the middle of the court would create any more "rough play" than a 15 foot shot taken from the elbow, the wing or the short corner. Why is this one 15 foot shot so special? For goodness sakes, we have up to FIVE sets of match-ups on a garden variety shot from the block, shot from the FT-line during "play", a 3-point attempt from the wing, from the top of the key or from the corner.
We can have no more than THREE under current rules on FTs. Players don't wait until the ball hits the rim before "boxing out" (non rule book term) on ANY SHOT -- except for a 15 foot shot from the middle of the court in which the defender can provide no pressure.

This rule has NEVER made sense to me and never will.....as a coach, a referee, an administrator, or as a player.....
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