One and one signal

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sorry. I forgot to mention that, here in the Constitution State, we're 100% IAABO, and after switching, the new trail is always opposite the table when free throws will ensue.

Still even if that is the case, I still will look at the table for subs as the Lead official and I do not work 2 Person at all in the season. I think it is good teamwork officiating to do so. Because if we miss a sub, we all are going to be held responsible. It is the Trail's responsibility first, but the crews responsibility to know as well.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I still will look at the table for subs as the Lead official and I do not work 2 Person at all in the season. I think it is good teamwork officiating to do so. Because if we miss a sub, we all are going to be held responsible. It is the Trail's responsibility first, but the crews responsibility to know as well.

JRutledge: You are correct. After your previous post in this thread, I checked my trusty IAABO Mechanics Manual, and it is the responsibility of both officials to check to table.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge: You are correct. After your previous post in this thread, I checked my trusty IAABO Mechanics Manual, and it is the responsibility of both officials to check to table.

Well considering that I am not an IAABO member and did not comment based on those sets of mechanics, this has always been taught to me and something I really learned in an ACC game where a sub was not properly brought in after FT late in a game. Well the sub was not made and I believe the team on defense could not bring in a sub to defend or a chance to defend a last second shot. The entire crew got suspended for a couple of games and fined. I learned that even if you are not listed as "responsible" by the book, you need to not just pass the buck to your partner as it still may be something you will notice. Partners get distracted or in many cases with subs where they sit in front of the table can make it easy to miss. I am not saying to only watch for this as Lead, but what is the harm to take a glance?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well considering that I am not an IAABO member and did not comment based on those sets of mechanics, this has always been taught to me and something I really learned in an ACC game where a sub was not properly brought in after FT late in a game. Well the sub was not made and I believe the team on defense could not bring in a sub to defend or a chance to defend a last second shot. The entire crew got suspended for a couple of games and fined. I learned that even if you are not listed as "responsible" by the book, you need to not just pass the buck to your partner as it still may be something you will notice. Partners get distracted or in many cases with subs where they sit in front of the table can make it easy to miss. I am not saying to only watch for this as Lead, but what is the harm to take a glance?

Peace

When a coach sends a sub to the table late, especially if subs have already been brought in, the Lead is the only one who can see it and the Trail is often observing the players to make sure there are 5 & 5 on the court. Why wait for the Trail? I work in a lot of gyms where the table is not very good at hitting the horn for subs. I know I've been the Trail quite often and the Lead is the one who alerted me to the fact there is a sub at the table.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When a coach sends a sub to the table late, especially if subs have already been brought in, the Lead is the only one who can see it and the Trail is often observing the players to make sure there are 5 & 5 on the court. Why wait for the Trail? I work in a lot of gyms where the table is very good at hitting the horn for subs. I know I've been the Trail quite often and the Lead is the one who alerted me to the fact there is a sub at the table.

Me too, that is why all of us should have some knowledge at some point.

Peace

[bigwhistle]

The post I was replying to about not looking at the table as you give 1 and 1 signal is because that person said he did that as he was backing out of the lane. This would infer that he has already bounced the ball to the shooter. Subs at the table are inconsequential at this point. Once the shooter has the ball we are not going to bring them into the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When a coach sends a sub to the table late, especially if subs have already been brought in, the Lead is the only one who can see it and the Trail is often observing the players to make sure there are 5 & 5 on the court. Why wait for the Trail? I work in a lot of gyms where the table is not very good at hitting the horn for subs. I know I've been the Trail quite often and the Lead is the one who alerted me to the fact there is a sub at the table.

Exactly. I won't bring the sub in, but I'll call out my partner's name and alert him so he can bring the sub in. I'm standing in the middle of the lane with the ball -- what else is going to happen at that particular moment? I always take a glance.