What are your pet peeves about other officials?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Officials who call "reach-in" fouls and/or "over-the-back" fouls. (Usually, these are the same guy).

+1

I've never blocked working with anyone, but I've considered...

*The guy who overruled my backcourt violation after tip-off (A-2 caught the tip with both feet in the frontcount, then pivoted into backcourt) without discussing it with me.

*The guy who called a blocking foul on a defender with LGP and verticatily, then proceeded to explain to me, "he got him with his belly."

*The guy who wasn't working my game, but came into our locker room after my game and give me a hard time for calling a foul with one second left.

All three, same guy.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

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*The guy who overruled my backcourt violation after tip-off (A-2 caught the tip with both feet in the frontcount, then pivoted into backcourt) without discussing it with me.

Nobody can overrule your backcourt violation, whether they discuss it with you or not.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Nobody can overrule your backcourt violation, whether they discuss it with you or not.

Right. It was my second year, and I was too stunned to do anything about it. He just took the ball and administered the throw in.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Nobody can overrule your backcourt violation, whether they discuss it with you or not.

My first year, That Guy came up to me after I reported a foul to tell me it wasn't a foul..........one of the few times I have really shown emotion on the court.

[kwv001]

Two for me...

1) Guys that refuse to engage in a meaningful pre-game

2) I will preface this one by saying I have experienced it more with lower level games. Twice this season while working freshman games, I have been in the midst of meeting with the captains 12 minutes prior to tip when my partner has come strolling into the gym. There is a reason I don't work many of these games, and it has nothing to do with the kids or the quality of the basketball!

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by kwv001

Two for me...

1) Guys that refuse to engage in a meaningful pre-game

2) I will preface this one by saying I have experienced it more with lower level games. Twice this season while working freshman games, I have been in the midst of meeting with the captains 12 minutes prior to tip when my partner has come strolling into the gym. There is a reason I don't work many of these games, and it has nothing to do with the kids or the quality of the basketball!

I'm inclined to give number 2 a bit of a pass. My first year I had about 30 sub varisty dates that started between 5 and 6. Due to my real job it was impossible for me to make anything earlier. It's a struggle to get new people into the game to begin with, and the time requirement is a big reason for that. For that reason I'll never judge someone who's unable to show up for a 5:30 freshman tip until 5:15 because they can't leave work until 5.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Duffman

I'm inclined to give number 2 a bit of a pass. My first year I had about 30 sub varisty dates that started between 5 and 6. Due to my real job it was impossible for me to make anything earlier. It's a struggle to get new people into the game to begin with, and the time requirement is a big reason for that. For that reason I'll never judge someone who's unable to show up for a 5:30 freshman tip until 5:15 because they can't leave work until 5.

If you can't make it to the game in time, don't accept the assignment. The above is no excuse. It's selfish and screws your partner over.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If you can't make it to the game in time, don't accept the assignment. The above is no excuse. It's selfish and screws your partner over.

Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating for just showing up 15 min before tip without warning. I'd let both my partner, the assigner and the AD know a few days in advance of the situation so it's not like I'd drop it out of the blue on anyone.

Lastly I understand what you are saying but the reality is in our particlar area there is a greater demand for officials than there is a supply. Our local association assigner has a difficult time getting all the games covered as it is. In fact we have several crews of retired vasity officials in thier 70's that end up doing local Jr High games for no other reason than we can't get anyone else to do them. We also have several people who routinely work 3jr high games at 3:30, then run to a different metro school to work a freshman game at 6. I don't imagine we are the only in which that is the case.

Given the reality of the situation I don't understand why provided there is responsible communications between all parties showing up 15 min prior to a JV tip is a terrible thing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If you can't make it to the game in time, don't accept the assignment. The above is no excuse. It's selfish and screws your partner over.

Eh, I'm inclined to let this one slip provided the officials talk about their arrival time before hand. None of this pays the bills and without working people showing up 15 minutes before game time there wouldn't be enough freshman officials.

[tref]

Originally Posted by WVJD

Last night my partner showed up two minutes before tip off, I had already fulfilled all of our administrative duties. He walks in with a pair of shoes under his arm...I get nervous but he assures me that he knows what he is doing because he has 30 experience in another state...he then tells me he doesn't have a jacket. Next he asks if I have a whistle for him. Unfortunately the game gets started and things went down hill. He is way to good of an official to get stuck with sub varsity games.

Is this a varsity contest?

Originally Posted by Duffman

I'm inclined to give number 2 a bit of a pass. My first year I had about 30 sub varisty dates that started between 5 and 6. Due to my real job it was impossible for me to make anything earlier. It's a struggle to get new people into the game to begin with, and the time requirement is a big reason for that. For that reason I'll never judge someone who's unable to show up for a 5:30 freshman tip until 5:15 because they can't leave work until 5.

This falls under handling our off-court business & a simple email/phone call/text is appropriate.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

This falls under handling our off-court business & a simple email/phone call/text is appropriate.

Exactly. The biggest benefit of arbiter is my ability to see who my partners are and contact them. Not only do we confirm game site and tip off time, but we also note what time we'll be at the school. If I'm going to be late (even 5 minutes), I'll note that so they aren't panicking 20 minutes before game time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kwv001

Two for me...

1) Guys that refuse to engage in a meaningful pre-game

2) I will preface this one by saying I have experienced it more with lower level games. Twice this season while working freshman games, I have been in the midst of meeting with the captains 12 minutes prior to tip when my partner has come strolling into the gym. There is a reason I don't work many of these games, and it has nothing to do with the kids or the quality of the basketball!

1. Agreed.
2. I have to be honest. I am always at a middle school game at least 30 minutes prior to game time (45 minutes for high school games, 60 for varsity). That said, I'm not doing captains meetings at 12 minutes if my partner isn't there yet. The least important part of the game can wait a few minutes. I'd rather walk out with my partner with 7:00 on the clock than alone at 15:00.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not doing captains meetings at 12 minutes if my partner isn't there yet. The least important part of the game can wait a few minutes. I'd rather walk out with my partner with 7:00 on the clock than alone at 15:00.

Excellent point.

This doesn't excuse the d***bag partner who strolls into the gym a few minutes before tip, shabbily dressed already, holding his shoes as he sits next to the scorers table changing his shoes. That sure lets everyone in the gym know he's a pro.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by bainsey

+1

I've never blocked working with anyone, but I've considered...

*The guy who overruled my backcourt violation after tip-off (A-2 caught the tip with both feet in the frontcount, then pivoted into backcourt) without discussing it with me.

*The guy who called a blocking foul on a defender with LGP and verticatily, then proceeded to explain to me, "he got him with his belly."

*The guy who wasn't working my game, but came into our locker room after my game and give me a hard time for calling a foul with one second left.

All three, same guy.

Why just considered?