I Was Embarrassed Last Night

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In the OP, he said the "request" was made before the shooter had the ball so the fact that team B got the timeout with A shooting is not an issue...A was not shooting yet. The whistle was late, but it wan't an improper time for the request to be granted.

That was a really late whistle (T hears the word Timeout - shooter receives ball - shooter takes typical 2 to 9.9 seconds and shoots the ball - T blows whistle) or some really quick thinking on the part of the T.

[BillyMac]

5.8.3 SITUATION E: A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her backcourt when: (a) the
Team B head coach requests and is erroneously granted a time-out by an official;
or (b) the Team A head coach is yelling “side out” offensive instructions to his/her
team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a time-out. RULING:
In (a), Team B is entitled to use the time-out since it was requested and
granted; once granted it cannot be revoked and is charged to Team B. All privileges
and rights permitted during a charged time-out are available to both teams.
Play will resume with a Team A throw-in nearest to where play was stopped. In
(b), an inadvertent whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out,
and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the
point of interruption. (4-36-1; 4-36-2a)

[twocentsworth]

If i was on the floor and this scenario happened....and my partner granted the TO early...I would have simply corrected the situation by cancelling the timeout, scoring the made FT, and proceeding with the 2nd FT.

It only makes sense to correct the error that was caused by the officials in an equitable manner that is fair to both teams. Bring both coaches together, explain the problem, and tell them how you're going to resolve it using common sense....

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

If i was on the floor and this scenario happened....and my partner granted the TO early...I would have simply corrected the situation by cancelling the timeout, scoring the made FT, and proceeding with the 2nd FT.

It only makes sense to correct the error that was caused by the officials in an equitable manner that is fair to both teams. Bring both coaches together, explain the problem, and tell them how you're going to resolve it using common sense....

Yeah that's a nice, logical way to handle it...but it's not what the rules say. Once the TO has been granted - even erroneously - we go with the time-out.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yeah that's a nice, logical way to handle it...but it's not what the rules say. Once the TO has been granted - even erroneously - we go with the time-out.

Only if the coach/team was actually requesting a time-out at that moment.
See the case play posted above.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Only if the coach/team was actually requesting a time-out at that moment.
See the case play posted above.

Which he was in the OP...no need to see case play posted above.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Which he was in the OP...no need to see case play posted above.

I'm confused, I thought the coach was talking to his players? If so, it seems like it's an easy inadvertant whistle call, the first FT counts, and we move on to the second FT, as per the case play, part (b).

I agree the coach could've worded his intentions differently, but I don't understand why some are saying the TO should still be charged. Just because the word was uttered, doesn't mean the request was being made to the official at that time. Granted, it gave the official the opportunity to make the mistake, but it still wasn't an actual request.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

That was a really late whistle (T hears the word Timeout - shooter receives ball - shooter takes typical 2 to 9.9 seconds and shoots the ball - T blows whistle) or some really quick thinking on the part of the T.

Agree...the specific timing aside from the order isn't conveyed.

I had a FT shooter the year who would shoot almost instantly upon receiving the ball. I've never seen someone so fast with a FT. The first couple of times, I was still well into the lane when the shot went up.