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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:21pm
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Flagrant 1/Dead Ball Contact Technical Foul

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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:27pm
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Nada. I believe it was the momentum of the Penn State player that carried him to where he ended up. The Illinois player did not create the contact that sent the Penn State player sprawling.
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:29pm
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I do not understand the origin of the play. Did they call a T here? Or was someone suggesting they should have?

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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:31pm
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I do not understand the origin of the play. Did they call a T here? Or was someone suggesting they should have?

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My bad...

There was an original foul call on the Penn State player. The officials went to the monitor to view the possible elbow/forearm after the play. After a 3-4 minute review, they ended up assessing a flagrant 1 technical foul on the Illinois player.
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:32pm
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My bad...

There was an original foul call on the Penn State player. The officials went to the monitor to view the possible elbow/forearm after the play. After a 3-4 minute review, they ended up assessing a flagrant 1 technical foul on the Illinois player.
For an elbow?

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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:33pm
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Is there a limit on how much time they can use to review these replays?
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:35pm
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A Flagrant 1 is the HS equivilant of an intentional foul. Can also be assessed for elbow contact to the shoulders and above.

I still don't see the Flagrant 1 in this play.
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:36pm
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For an elbow?

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I'd more classify it a forearm but I'd say that's what they called the FF1 tech for
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:38pm
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Yep, flagrant 1 technical.

Personal foul on #23, ball is dead. Then, left forearm to the chin of #23 by #2 . Easy call when you get to look at a replay.
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:54pm
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That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

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That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

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Agree....nothing after the original foul.
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Old Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:10am
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That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

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I agree with this.

And to the poster who asked about time limit...IDK about any limit, but they took a LOOOONNNNGGGG look at this play.
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Old Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:20am
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I agree with this.

And to the poster who asked about time limit...IDK about any limit, but they took a LOOOONNNNGGGG look at this play.
I believe they looked at the replay...discussed...then looked at the reply again.

I don't believe NCAA has a time limit for replays...I believe that's true for football as well.
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Old Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:35pm
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Yep, flagrant 1 technical.

Personal foul on #23, ball is dead. Then, left forearm to the chin of #23 by #2 . Easy call when you get to look at a replay.
According to the NCAA rule book, there is no such thing as a flagrant 1 technical. There is a flagrant 1 personal foul and a Class A technical foul. Don't know why they went that way with the terminology.
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Old Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:56pm
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According to the NCAA rule book, there is no such thing as a flagrant 1 technical. There is a flagrant 1 personal foul and a Class A technical foul. Don't know why they went that way with the terminology.
Actually it is a "Contact dead ball foul" (4-29-3g) which is specific to this kind of play if the ball was ruled dead. That is of course if we want to play the semantics games.

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