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APG Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:21pm

Flagrant 1/Dead Ball Contact Technical Foul
 
Posted at the request of stiffler3492

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The Ref Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:27pm

Nada. I believe it was the momentum of the Penn State player that carried him to where he ended up. The Illinois player did not create the contact that sent the Penn State player sprawling.

JRutledge Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:29pm

I do not understand the origin of the play. Did they call a T here? Or was someone suggesting they should have?

Peace

APG Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 815537)
I do not understand the origin of the play. Did they call a T here? Or was someone suggesting they should have?

Peace

My bad...

There was an original foul call on the Penn State player. The officials went to the monitor to view the possible elbow/forearm after the play. After a 3-4 minute review, they ended up assessing a flagrant 1 technical foul on the Illinois player.

JRutledge Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 815538)
My bad...

There was an original foul call on the Penn State player. The officials went to the monitor to view the possible elbow/forearm after the play. After a 3-4 minute review, they ended up assessing a flagrant 1 technical foul on the Illinois player.

For an elbow?

Peace

SNIPERBBB Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:33pm

Is there a limit on how much time they can use to review these replays?

The Ref Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:35pm

A Flagrant 1 is the HS equivilant of an intentional foul. Can also be assessed for elbow contact to the shoulders and above.

I still don't see the Flagrant 1 in this play.

APG Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 815539)
For an elbow?

Peace

I'd more classify it a forearm but I'd say that's what they called the FF1 tech for

BktBallRef Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:38pm

Yep, flagrant 1 technical.

Personal foul on #23, ball is dead. Then, left forearm to the chin of #23 by #2 . Easy call when you get to look at a replay.

JRutledge Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:54pm

That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Jan 22, 2012 01:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 815545)
That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

Peace

Agree....nothing after the original foul.

stiffler3492 Sun Jan 22, 2012 01:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 815545)
That looks very inadvertent to me. They were fighting for the ball and the ball came loose. I think they should have had nothing. And John Adams said to not call this a flagrant foul if it is incidental or apart of basketball.

Peace

I agree with this.

And to the poster who asked about time limit...IDK about any limit, but they took a LOOOONNNNGGGG look at this play.

APG Sun Jan 22, 2012 01:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 815566)
I agree with this.

And to the poster who asked about time limit...IDK about any limit, but they took a LOOOONNNNGGGG look at this play.

I believe they looked at the replay...discussed...then looked at the reply again.

I don't believe NCAA has a time limit for replays...I believe that's true for football as well.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 22, 2012 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 815543)
Yep, flagrant 1 technical.

Personal foul on #23, ball is dead. Then, left forearm to the chin of #23 by #2 . Easy call when you get to look at a replay.

According to the NCAA rule book, there is no such thing as a flagrant 1 technical. There is a flagrant 1 personal foul and a Class A technical foul. Don't know why they went that way with the terminology.

JRutledge Sun Jan 22, 2012 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 815789)
According to the NCAA rule book, there is no such thing as a flagrant 1 technical. There is a flagrant 1 personal foul and a Class A technical foul. Don't know why they went that way with the terminology.

Actually it is a "Contact dead ball foul" (4-29-3g) which is specific to this kind of play if the ball was ruled dead. That is of course if we want to play the semantics games. ;)

Peace


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