Discussed in an association meeting last night...

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Smitty

What's your point? And what does this have to do with the point Rich was trying to make with this thread?

I was responding to above, but yeah, it had nothing to do with the OP.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Isn't there a coach on the "other end" of each of these calls or non-calls?

I assume you're talking about my post?

Yes, you're right, but I often get the feeling that they either don't know the rules, or they "understand" because they wouldn't want such nit-picky things called on their team either. That or they don't see the infraction in question in the first place. (Like a dunk during warmups)

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Since the shot was counted as two points, the game is tied at the end of regulation, so you will be playing OT.

OT starts with two FTs for the visitors with the lane cleared, followed by a division line throw in. Home gets the AP arrow.

Sorry Rich.

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Relative newbie (3rd season) here.... let me know if I screwed up anywhere.

The 2-point vs 3-point should've been the call of the official who is in the primary.... so if the primary official signaled 3, it should've been 3. However, we're always told to "get the call right" so if the other official is 110% sure the foot was on the line, I'm ok with calling it a 2-point try.

At this point, tie game, 4th quarter is over, and any action thereafter happens in overtime.

Coach technical, therefore, occurs at the start of overtime. 2 shots for the other team with the lane cleared, throw-in at mid-court, arrow pointing to team whose coach got whacked.

Yes.... and (getting real "technical" here)?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yes.... and (getting real "technical" here)?

The coach sits for the rest of the game?

[Toren]

In the OP, the score was tied, then the coach got a technical, which should have been the start of OT. Seems pretty straight forward.

What if during the conference between the two officials, the coach had gotten a technical? Am I right in thinking that is still part of the 4th quarter? Since the error had not been corrected yet?

[bainsey]

Rich,

Was there any clarity as to which official (lead/trail) called the three and which insisted he was on the line? We're taught to handle these things differently, whether it's the lead or trail that initially signals.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Rich,

Was there any clarity as to which official (lead/trail) called the three and which insisted he was on the line? We're taught to handle these things differently, whether it's the lead or trail that initially signals.

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

Agree....a foot on the line is a foot on the line. The standard I go by is that if either officials sees a foot on the line, it is a 2 and they should stop play and indicate that it is a 2....and whether it is 2-person or 3-person mechanics, there will always be an area where both will be taking a look at the shot. If that were not the case, you'd have areas where neither were looking at the shot.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

Visualization, mostly. You mentioned before, Bob, the one area of the floor where both could get a good look at the shooter. Otherwise, wouldn't we have a simple case of ball watching?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Visualization, mostly. You mentioned before, Bob, the one area of the floor where both could get a good look at the shooter. Otherwise, wouldn't we have a simple case of ball watching?

Not necessarily.

[tref]

Sneaking a peak on shot attempts to assist the crew is far different than ball watching.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Visualization, mostly. You mentioned before, Bob, the one area of the floor where both could get a good look at the shooter. Otherwise, wouldn't we have a simple case of ball watching?

1) At the end of the game (or quarter / half) all officials should have an opinion on all aspects of the last shot. Depending on from where it's taken, they might nt have much to offer, but still, ...

2) Whether it's "visualization" or not, it still doesn't explain why you'd have one practice if the T makes the call and another if the L makes the call. Are you saying that T should look in L's area, but L shouldn't look in T's area (or vice-versa)?