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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:05am
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How would you handle it

Called a double dribble on kid. Coach didn't like the call because he thought defender touched the ball and wanted me to ask my partner what he saw. I didn't ask him. During a timeout I asked my partner and he said defender may have touched it but wasn't 100% sure. For the record stuck with my original call.

Do you only confer with partner on who may have touched ball before OB and whether foul or violation occurred first?

Would anybody handle this differently?

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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:10am
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Called a double dribble on kid. Coach didn't like the call because he thought defender touched the ball and wanted me to ask my partner what he saw. I didn't ask him. During a timeout I asked my partner and he said defender may have touched it but wasn't 100% sure. For the record stuck with my original call.

Do you only confer with partner on who may have touched ball before OB and whether foul or violation occurred first?

Would anybody handle this differently?
I think you did just fine. If you confer with your partner on that call, pretty soon they'll be asking us to get together with our partners for every call. The coach is begging, IMO.

I'm guessing, had you conferred, his information wouldn't have changed your call anyway.
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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:15am
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"Coach, that was my call all the way and I'm confident in what I called."

I'm not even entertaining the coach's suggestion to ask my partner on the court about a call that I made. He's trying to play you like a violin. Do not even go there with him. Even for a second.

In the locker room is the appropriate place for the question to your partner on what they may have seen.

ETA- In my pre-games we talk about coming to help on OOB plays ONLY when we have definite knowledge. And yes, if one of us has a hand and one of us has a fist we will concur to see which happened first. But we are not conferring on calls at the suggestion of a coach. That's a recipe for disaster.

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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:15am
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The dribble would not end unless the touching makes the player lose control of the ball. So even if you had a touch, if you did not believe the ball was lost it would not matter by rule. That is a judgment call all the way, but I would not go to a partner about that kind of call, just like I would not go to them to identify a pivot foot after I made a travel call.

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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:25am
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I have a standard rule with all of my partners, that if he sees something completely different than what I see, please come talk to me about it.

That said...

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I would not go to a partner about that kind of call, just like I would not go to them to identify a pivot foot after I made a travel call.
I agree. I can't imagine a scenario where I would approach a partner with this one. The coach in the OP was playing a three of clubs.
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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 07:20am
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The dribble would not end unless the touching makes the player lose control of the ball. So even if you had a touch, if you did not believe the ball was lost it would not matter by rule.
A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player
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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:11am
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For violations (including OOB), I will say something to my partner who called it only if I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the call is incorrect.

If a coach asks me to "fix" a call that I think "might" be wrong: "Coach, that was his call and he had a great look at it." We might talk about it later if it's important somehow.
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