Mich St / WIS

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Fed: 5-6-2
Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired.

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms. Our state's post-season tournaments are held in three different venues, and only one has such lights. (One of those building is being replaced, so here's hoping they think of such lights.)

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms. Our state's post-season tournaments are held in three different venues, and only one has such lights. (One of those building is being replaced, so here's hoping they think of such lights.)

I think it was changed two years ago (2009-2010). Mark Sr. will confirm later tonight when he has the opportunity to look in his archives.

[Rufus]

I don't call college so this is largely academic, but can someone explain why the backboard clock/light supersedes the game clock in this situation? I've read the rule posted by tjones and it only says that the LED lights will be used only if the game clock isn't visible. In this case the game clock(s) were visible but disagreed.

I guess the question is, does the first-stated rule - that the red backboard light ends the period - take precedence over the subsection (b) rule?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't call college so this is largely academic, but can someone explain why the backboard clock/light supersedes the game clock in this situation? I've read the rule posted by tjones and it only says that the LED lights will be used only if the game clock isn't visible. In this case the game clock(s) were visible but disagreed.

I guess the question is, does the first-stated rule - that the red backboard light ends the period - take precedence over the subsection (b) rule?

No.

In order -- game clock (not the "superimposed clock on the ESPN screen"), red lights, horn.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.

In order -- game clock (not the "superimposed clock on the ESPN screen"), red lights, horn.

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

Correct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

Sort of....

The one in the above shot is not the ESPN clock...it may or may not also be a game clock.

The ESPN clock is a virtual representation of the actual clock. It is not tied into the clock console. They often have a nice looking graphic clock that is a recreation of the real clock but is not guaranteed to be the accurate. It is controlled separately and only approximates the game clock. When it comes down to close situation, they usually switch to an inset view of the actual game clock, not a recreation as that is the only one that matters.

If there is more than one display of the game clock in the arena and they don't agree, I would suggest that the one with the lowest time is probably the most accurate. The one showing 0.2 in the freeze frame is just delayed in showing the current time. When stopped at any earlier point, it would have settled at the same time as the other one after a 0.2 second delay and would start a moment after when resumed.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sort of....

The one in the above shot is not the ESPN clock...it may or may not also be a game clock.

The ESPN clock is a virtual representation of the actual clock. It is not tied into the clock console. They often have a nice looking graphic clock that is a recreation of the real clock but is not guaranteed to be the accurate. It is controlled separately and only approximates the game clock. When it comes down to close situation, they usually switch to an inset view of the actual game clock, not a recreation as that is the only one that matters.

If there is more than one display of the game clock in the arena and they don't agree, I would suggest that the one with the lowest time is probably the most accurate. The one showing 0.2 in the freeze frame is just delayed in showing the current time. When stopped at any earlier point, it would have settled at the same time as the other one after a 0.2 second delay and would start a moment after when resumed.

It is hard to say how those clocks get the data. I would guess there is some sort of wireless connection with a delay.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

Originally Posted by tjones1

I think it was changed two years ago (2009-2010).

It was indeed '09-'10.

[Larks]

Wow...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Larks

Wow...

I think that the only thing you can read into this is that the upper arena display is slow to update. Not really that surprising. Nothing is instant....just some things are faster than others. The fancier the display, the more likely it will be the slower device.

LED lights are fast....far faster even than simple incandescent lights....probably the quickest response time of any of the displays.
Turning on a single light is faster than configuring digits on a fancy display.
Turning on the segments in a 7-segment display (the over the board clock) is faster than turning driving a fancy display.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms.

Only one gym, of the seventy high schools that we service, has the lights. I was there last week, and the lights behind only one backboard worked. The lights down the other side were broken.

[Rich]

I was amused with Bo Ryan getting angry and swearing at the officials *after* the replay review. ESPN even pixilated Ryan's mouth during SportsCenter.

I mean, it's one thing to argue with the live event, but with a replay that he hadn't even seen? To the point of losing his temper?

I had a ticket for last night, but couldn't find a sub for my GV game so I ended up eating it (I listed it on StubHub, but had no takers, even at below-face value). Not sad I missed it. The Badgers are in for a long season if they don't remember how to shoot the ball.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I was amused with Bo Ryan getting angry and swearing at the officials *after* the replay review. ESPN even pixilated Ryan's mouth during SportsCenter.

I mean, it's one thing to argue with the live event, but with a replay that he hadn't even seen? To the point of losing his temper?

I thought that was excellent! I mean - how can you be mad at the officials after they took theri time to review it and get it right? It's not their fault the player releasedit a hair late and they got the play right! Sheesh!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I was amused with Bo Ryan getting angry and swearing at the officials *after* the replay review. ESPN even pixilated Ryan's mouth during SportsCenter.

Yeah — he "mother-f****ed" the officials ... thought that was pretty classless.

Like everyone else has said, the LED lights take precedent. Period. Officials got it right.

Citing information from Daktronics, the company that supplies LED displays and other equipment used at the Kohl Center and other venues, officials said it is normal to have a delay of 0.1 to 0.2 seconds when clock data is relayed from the scorer's table to equipment that generates the images on electronic scoreboards.

Was a great attempt at a shot to force double OT, just came up a little short!