Mich St / WIS

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

What exactly is the rule in high school and college when a quarter or period ends? Assuming there is a clock above basket and LED light vs nothing at all.

Fed: 5-6-2
Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired.

NCAA: 5-7-2
Each period shall end when the red light or LED lights have bcome activated. When the light fails to operate or is not visible, each period shall end with the sounding of the game-clock horn.

a. In games when the red light is not present, the game-clock horn shall terminate players' activity.

b. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is no visable, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). WHen the red/LED light(s) are not visable, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be used. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the orginal call stands.

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't have my rule book in front of me but I believe the horn signals the end of the period.

See above.

[Zoochy]

Sorry deecee, but I cast my vote with the tjones1

[SAJ]

first football and now basketball...great games

[tjones1]

"By rule we have to go by the clock that is on the backboard," Driscoll said. "I don't know why there would be different [times] -- it could be satellite, electronic, whatever -- but by rule we have to go by the clock that is attached to the backboard. In our review on the monitor, the clock clearly showed zeros while the ball remained in the Wisconsin player's hands."

Driscoll said officials looked at the replay approximately seven times, also examining whether Evans' foot was on the 3-point line.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Fed: 5-6-2
Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired.

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms. Our state's post-season tournaments are held in three different venues, and only one has such lights. (One of those building is being replaced, so here's hoping they think of such lights.)

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms. Our state's post-season tournaments are held in three different venues, and only one has such lights. (One of those building is being replaced, so here's hoping they think of such lights.)

I think it was changed two years ago (2009-2010). Mark Sr. will confirm later tonight when he has the opportunity to look in his archives.

[Rufus]

I don't call college so this is largely academic, but can someone explain why the backboard clock/light supersedes the game clock in this situation? I've read the rule posted by tjones and it only says that the LED lights will be used only if the game clock isn't visible. In this case the game clock(s) were visible but disagreed.

I guess the question is, does the first-stated rule - that the red backboard light ends the period - take precedence over the subsection (b) rule?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't call college so this is largely academic, but can someone explain why the backboard clock/light supersedes the game clock in this situation? I've read the rule posted by tjones and it only says that the LED lights will be used only if the game clock isn't visible. In this case the game clock(s) were visible but disagreed.

I guess the question is, does the first-stated rule - that the red backboard light ends the period - take precedence over the subsection (b) rule?

No.

In order -- game clock (not the "superimposed clock on the ESPN screen"), red lights, horn.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.

In order -- game clock (not the "superimposed clock on the ESPN screen"), red lights, horn.

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

Correct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Thanks Bob. In this particular case, then, the game clock is the one over the backboard and not the one in the arena in the background (as opposed to the ESPN clock)?

Sort of....

The one in the above shot is not the ESPN clock...it may or may not also be a game clock.

The ESPN clock is a virtual representation of the actual clock. It is not tied into the clock console. They often have a nice looking graphic clock that is a recreation of the real clock but is not guaranteed to be the accurate. It is controlled separately and only approximates the game clock. When it comes down to close situation, they usually switch to an inset view of the actual game clock, not a recreation as that is the only one that matters.

If there is more than one display of the game clock in the arena and they don't agree, I would suggest that the one with the lowest time is probably the most accurate. The one showing 0.2 in the freeze frame is just delayed in showing the current time. When stopped at any earlier point, it would have settled at the same time as the other one after a 0.2 second delay and would start a moment after when resumed.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This rule changed last year, I believe. It used to be that the officials must go by the horn for a quarter's end. Now, if there's a light behind the backboard (LED or single light), we are to consider the light primarily.

Originally Posted by tjones1

I think it was changed two years ago (2009-2010).

It was indeed '09-'10.

[Larks]

Wow...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Larks

Wow...

I think that the only thing you can read into this is that the upper arena display is slow to update. Not really that surprising. Nothing is instant....just some things are faster than others. The fancier the display, the more likely it will be the slower device.

LED lights are fast....far faster even than simple incandescent lights....probably the quickest response time of any of the displays.
Turning on a single light is faster than configuring digits on a fancy display.
Turning on the segments in a 7-segment display (the over the board clock) is faster than turning driving a fancy display.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There aren't any high school gyms in these parts that have those lights, only the college gyms.

Only one gym, of the seventy high schools that we service, has the lights. I was there last week, and the lights behind only one backboard worked. The lights down the other side were broken.