Uncalled Cheap Shots

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Boy, saw this yesterday...Thoughts or comments? Maybe this is what happens when they fire CHSEagle?!?!?

Flagrant foul no-calls Highland @ Connell 12/22/11 - YouTube

Foul #1 - INT.
Foul #2 - common foul.
Foul #3 - INT.
Foul #4 - 34 red for block, 42 white for T. False double. 34 red didn't give time and distance to a player without the ball.
Foul #5 - Flagrant DQ.
Foul #6 - common foul.


Edit: I've seen guys like 34 white time enough. I identify them on foul #1 and try to use my voice early with guys like that.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Foul #4 - 34 red for block, 42 white for T. False double. 34 red didn't give time and distance to a player without the ball.

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

Yes; maybe I would too.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yes; maybe I would too.

On that play it would have been a block on Red34 if White 42 was there to play basketball and continued his natural movement toward the ball.

But 42 extends his arms to push 34 before any contact is made and that's why the only foul to get there is on him.

As for some of the other arguments being made, there is no defense of #34's actions regardless of what else was happening in the game. And based on the lack of video evidence and overall body language of the players I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there was anything similar going on at the other end of the court as chseagle keeps suggesting. I'd bet any amount of money that if there was, we would have seen this escalate into an all out brawl.

I think the main points again are:

1) The complete lack of control and awareness demonstrated by the game officials. One of my pet peeves is when fans/coaches say to officials, "You're gonna get somebody hurt out there." I think it's such an ignorant comment and 99.9% of the time is totally off base. In this instance, it would have been completely justified and in many of the environments I've been in, a parent would have tried to come onto the court to address the officials, #34, and/or the HC of the white team.

2) The Connell coach and administration should be held accountable for allowing #34 to engage in this type of behavior on the court. Personally, I have never seen a player commit a series of fouls like the one on the video. Of course we do not have the whole game tape but again, nothing justifies that type of goonery on a basketball court. Maybe something was said to him on the sidelines but after the 2nd foul he should not have been in the game IMO. Since the officials did not take care of business, the coach and administrators should be ashamed that they allowed that to continue, especially since you can see the kid smirking after almost each of his acts.

[Adam]

I agree, it seems to me that #34 exemplifies a failure of coaching. Unless #34's dog had died, this is behavior that would have shown up sooner; either in practice or previous games.

I also agree that if red had behaved similarly in this game, they would have likely broken into a brawl.

Judging by the six plays we saw, I'm assuming white got their a$$es handed to them on the score board. That might explain (not justify) the officials not handing out intentional fouls like candy.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

On that play it would have been a block on Red34 if White 42 was there to play basketball and continued his natural movement toward the ball.

But 42 extends his arms to push 34 before any contact is made and that's why the only foul to get there is on him.

As for some of the other arguments being made, there is no defense of #34's actions regardless of what else was happening in the game. And based on the lack of video evidence and overall body language of the players I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there was anything similar going on at the other end of the court as chseagle keeps suggesting. I'd bet any amount of money that if there was, we would have seen this escalate into an all out brawl.

I think the main points again are:

1) The complete lack of control and awareness demonstrated by the game officials. One of my pet peeves is when fans/coaches say to officials, "You're gonna get somebody hurt out there." I think it's such an ignorant comment and 99.9% of the time is totally off base. In this instance, it would have been completely justified and in many of the environments I've been in, a parent would have tried to come onto the court to address the officials, #34, and/or the HC of the white team.

2) The Connell coach and administration should be held accountable for allowing #34 to engage in this type of behavior on the court. Personally, I have never seen a player commit a series of fouls like the one on the video. Of course we do not have the whole game tape but again, nothing justifies that type of goonery on a basketball court. Maybe something was said to him on the sidelines but after the 2nd foul he should not have been in the game IMO. Since the officials did not take care of business, the coach and administrators should be ashamed that they allowed that to continue, especially since you can see the kid smirking after almost each of his acts.

I have. Last season. None were flagrant, but after the first hard foul and watching him off ball, I had my radar up. In a minute of game play I personally hit him with 3 fouls (the final one intentional) and he was on the bench. He didn't come back into the game.

I also worked a game where the visiting team gave up a huge run to start the second half and decided to thug it up the rest of the game. Three technicals and a flagrant foul later....of course every foul where bodies fly I am lingering and likely closing ground to make sure I'm there in case something happens and, better yet, preventing things from happening just by letting people see my stripes.

I have no problem putting focus on a troublemaker on the court and making sure I get every foul he may commit.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

Exactly my thoughts, as well. I'm penalizing only the shove, too.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Boy, saw this yesterday...Thoughts or comments? Maybe this is what happens when they fire CHSEagle?!?!?
Flagrant foul no-calls Highland @ Connell 12/22/11 - YouTube

For several days I resisted the temptation to watch this link, settling instead for basking in all the righteous indignation of those responding, some of which I thought might have been purely reactionary, piling-on, and unnecessary.
Then I watched it.
The thought first struck me that some association did a great job of staging a real-to-life game complete with opposing team players to help members identify situations with hard fouls, flagrant fouls, and precursors to worse things to come if not dealt with. Then I watched the link again. It was for real!
Seems now that all the righteous indignation was not undeserving.
Will try to suggest this for an upcoming association meeting along with that Georgia State Association training video on the topic.
My guess is that the Eagles did real well in football that fall.

[fullor30]

According to school website two of the coaches also coach football. Must be a long football season.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by fullor30

According to school website two of the coaches also coach football. Must be a long football season.

The football team won State on December 3. So a couple of the Boys' games got rescheduled. The Boys' JV Coach is the head football coach, the Boys' Head Coach is one of a few assistant coaches in football.

[fullor30]

Apparently Gramps of 34 is in corner in mobile wheelchair.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Boy, saw this yesterday...Thoughts or comments? Maybe this is what happens when they fire CHSEagle?!?!?

Flagrant foul no-calls Highland @ Connell 12/22/11 - YouTube

This is sickening to watch.....

Of the 6 clips I probably go Flagrant on #3 and #5. Intentional on 1 or 2. (Normal) Foul on the others.

Sad that a 3 man crew allowed this to happen....

[Tio]

This is exactly why we pregame to get rid of players who come in to screw up our game. Would you let a HS kid screw up your game?

#34 should have been ejected. He is not in the game to play basketball.

[JugglingReferee]

The Cheap Shots Video went viral. It's on the front page of Yahoo! right now!


It's been up 7 hours with 18,000+ comments. lmao

It's different world that we live in than even 5 years ago...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The Cheap Shots Video went viral. It's on the front page of Yahoo! right now!


It's been up 7 hours with 18,000+ comments. lmao

It's different world that we live in than even 5 years ago...

Front and center on Deadspin, too.