(Un)Correctable Error & Shot Clock Use ?

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Handing the ball to the wrong team happened last year in a local boys varsity game to a crew from our local board after a timeout late in the game. The visiting team erronously was given the ball to inbound, buried a three and their coach kept reminding the official it could not be corrected once the throw in ended. The home coach went ballistic, got T'd up and lost by 3.

We use shot clocks in NY boys and girls Varsity and JV. Most schools I have worked at pay the table crew so usually they are pretty good. Sometimes you have to fix their errors but overall I'd say it works ok.

I will say I attended a 2 day clinic 2 years ago where they used a shot clock. The kids operating it were a disaster and the observer was all over our crew for not paying enough attention to the clocks while the game was going on and afterwards. I have since become a lot more aware of the clocks and believe I am better for that lesson.

...many years ago when my sister played in Brooklyn, HS girls had a 30-second clock. And no backcourt violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

Many years ago when my sister played in Brooklyn, HS girls had a 30-second clock. And no backcourt violation.

Six on six?

[eyezen]

Being a Jeffersonian kinda guy, I would at least like to see the state associations have the option (officially) to have a shot clock.

[BayStateRef]

Mass. uses the shot clock at all levels...and it works just fine, even with student table crews. I've seen every kind of "problem" -- from one display not working, displays showing only parts of the number (so you can't tell if it's a 7 or a 1), the default reset being set (by error) to :15; even a clock operator who was drunk. But these are no more of a problem than any other I have to deal with...and certainly no reason to be wary of adding a shot clock to your state.

Mass. adopted the NCAA shot clock rules...which require there shall be a shot clock. There is no discretion in that. You can use any resource (the rule requires an alternate timing device be available) including a stop watch, the game clock, etc. You also can (and should) remove any table personnel who is not competent to perform the job. But you cannot turn off the clock...no more than you can decide that a layup is not 2 points because it is so close to the basket.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

A layup is not 2 points because it is so close to the basket.

Not true. A layup is still two points. A dunk is only one point.

Years ago, didn't ESPN, or MTV, or some other cable network catering to the young adult demographic, have some type of basketball game where different spots on the court were worth differing numbers of points? Now that went over really well, didn't' it?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

California too is a shot clock state at all levels and we very rarely have any issues.Usually the operators here are quick enough to catch their own mistakes if they make any.Only time I've ever had an issue with the shot clock was one time when we were the visiting school and the home school's shot clocks didn't work even after a visit from an electrician.The host school used an egg timer and we counted down possessions in intervals of 5.My question-does the backup device have to be visible to the officials on the floor so they can ensure its proper operation?

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

.My question-does the backup device have to be visible to the officials on the floor so they can ensure its proper operation?

The requirment for equipment (NCAA) is that two visible shot clocks, one at each end of the court, are mandatory. But the rule also provides "an alternate timing device shall be available when a visible shot clock malfunctions."

Any device that the referee deems reliable and fair to both teams is OK. When I have had problems with shot clock displays, I bring the coaches together, explain how we will proceed, and that has always worked.

Some schools have back-up displays. I was at a gym a couple of weeks ago that had the back-up displays in use (they sat on the floor instead of the usual ones that are mounted atop the backboards) but the game management knew the regular displays were broken before the game started.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not true. A layup is still two points. A dunk is only one point.

Years ago, didn't ESPN, or MTV, or some other cable network catering to the young adult demographic, have some type of basketball game where different spots on the court were worth differing numbers of points? Now that went over really well, didn't' it?

You're thinking of SlamBall, if I remember right it was on Spike or G4TV.

[Jfpdi]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

...many years ago when my sister played in Brooklyn, HS girls had a 30-second clock. And no backcourt violation.

We still play the 30 second shot clockfor girls HS. I believe you meant no 10 second count violation in the backcourt. We follow the NCAA women's rule on that too. Closely guarded is only on a held ball but anywhere on the court with a defender within 3 feet.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

We still play the 30 second shot clock for girls HS. I believe you meant no 10 second count violation in the backcourt. We follow the NCAA women's rule on that too. Closely guarded is only on a held ball but anywhere on the court with a defender within 3 feet.

Similar to our girls private prep school rules.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

We still play the 30 second shot clockfor girls HS. I believe you meant no 10 second count violation in the backcourt. We follow the NCAA women's rule on that too. Closely guarded is only on a held ball but anywhere on the court with a defender within 3 feet.

...that was one of the rules as well, but I could swear they also didn't have BC violations.